The Final Collapse of the Economy

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No doubt that’s good advice, but for most people it’s impossible to do. And when the economy collapses, the government will blame “the rich” while OWS incites violence.
Nothing is impossible with God. Think in terms of the Tower of Babel. There will an intervention by God.

You will not be able to stop the evil that wants to rule the world. The moment is serious. Pride (Satan) has come to rule (e.g. Obama and Obamacare). (Voting for the abortion president, Obama, is a sin. You cannot be Catholic and support abortion. ) We are in trouble and we are in more trouble than we can realize.

Get sin out of your heart. The rosary is your spiritual guard. The world cannot be healed without a lot of suffering. We are not going to escape the purification.

Store your labor in Miraculous Medal Rounds. Dollars and the economy will crash. Additionally, get back to the soil and start your garden this spring.
 
Fear it is, and nothing more. Why base our trust in financial institutions that exist on usury, and not work by the ‘sweat of one’s brow’ while trusting in God?

Why do we not follow the law of Jubilee which states that every 50 years all debts were to be cancelled, and land and properties returned to the borrower? Oh yes, we know better today, those were the ‘old days’, nowdays, God approves of unbridled capitalism.

The answer my friend is blowing in the wind… ‘easy money,’ and oppression of the poor by the greedy.
 
Nothing is impossible with God. Think in terms of the Tower of Babel. There will an intervention by God.

You will not be able to stop the evil that wants to rule the world. The moment is serious. Pride (Satan) has come to rule (e.g. Obama and Obamacare). (Voting for the abortion president, Obama, is a sin. You cannot be Catholic and support abortion. ) We are in trouble and we are in more trouble than we can realize.

Get sin out of your heart. The rosary is your spiritual guard. The world cannot be healed without a lot of suffering. We are not going to escape the purification.

Store your labor in Miraculous Medal Rounds. Dollars and the economy will crash. Additionally, get back to the soil and start your garden this spring.
Very good advice.
 
Fear it is, and nothing more. Why base our trust in financial institutions that exist on usury, and not work by the ‘sweat of one’s brow’ while trusting in God?

Why do we not follow the law of Jubilee which states that every 50 years all debts were to be cancelled, and land and properties returned to the borrower? Oh yes, we know better today, those were the ‘old days’, nowdays, God approves of unbridled capitalism.

The answer my friend is blowing in the wind… ‘easy money,’ and oppression of the poor by the greedy.
Forgiveness of debts every 50 years sounds like a good thing; I’m not sure how it would work. I suspect a great many people would take out mortgages in year 49.
 
JimG,

When we were once a nation of integrity when we were not ashamed to do honest manual work, this would not happen. Today, when most of us are banking on the lottery, penny stocks, get rich schemes, or God knows what else, you are probably right.
 
JimG,

When we were once a nation of integrity when we were not ashamed to do honest manual work, this would not happen. Today, when most of us are banking on the lottery, penny stocks, get rich schemes, or God knows what else, you are probably right.
It looks like you may be reflecting on our future. Be thoughtful. Be thinking. How are you going to eat? One day you may be working all day just to eat.

The #1 sin is the love of money (Mathew 6:24). That sin is ingrained in the central banks, government, etc. We are moving faster and faster towards perdition.
 
It looks like you may be reflecting on our future. Be thoughtful. Be thinking. How are you going to eat? One day you may be working all day just to eat.

The #1 sin is the love of money (Mathew 6:24). That sin is ingrained in the central banks, government, etc. We are moving faster and faster towards perdition.
ACCT,

That is my problem, I like many Americans are anxious about our future. Yet, Jesus said, "Take no thought of what you are going to eat, or what you are going to wear…look at the birds of the air, they neither reap, nor gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father takes care of them… If God so clothes the flowers of the field, shall He not clothe you?
Take no thought for tomorrow, for sufficient today is the evil thereof.

From my understanding of the book of Revelations, the antichrist will have permission by God to destroy the monetary system of the free market financial system. Then he introduces his own sort of tyranny.

In God we trust.
I think we should be prepared spiritually for such a possibility.
 
ACCT,

That is my problem, I like many Americans are anxious about our future. Yet, Jesus said, "Take no thought of what you are going to eat, or what you are going to wear…look at the birds of the air, they neither reap, nor gather into barns, yet your heavenly Father takes care of them… If God so clothes the flowers of the field, shall He not clothe you?
Take no thought for tomorrow, for sufficient today is the evil thereof.

From my understanding of the book of Revelations, the antichrist will have permission by God to destroy the monetary system of the free market financial system. Then he introduces his own sort of tyranny.

In God we trust.
I think we should be prepared spiritually for such a possibility.
Those who pray do not worry! However, even the birds of the air have to get out of their nest to find those worms. Additionally, God said that we are to sweat to earn our bread.

Food is a weapon and Satan intends to use it against us. Start your spring garden today. There is a learning curve for learning how to grow your own food.
 
Mercytruth #27
From my understanding of the book of Revelations, the antichrist will have permission by God to destroy the monetary system of the free market financial system.
Such a selfist interpretation is one root of all evil.

Instead listen, learn and love as Bl John Paul II affirmed wisdom in Catholic social teaching on the free economy:
See *Centesimus Annus *42, 1991, Bl John Paul II:
‘If by “capitalism” is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a “business economy”, “market economy” or simply “free economy”.’
The Holy Father obviously dislikes the term “capitalism” which was coined by none other than Karl Marx, the peddler of atheistic Communism.

Since here capitalism = free economy, and reaffirmed by Bl John Paul II is the ‘fundamental human “right to freedom of economic initiative.” ’ (*Sollicitudo Rei Socialis *(On Human Concerns), Encyclical, 1987, #42), and initiative = enterprise, it is clear how the Pope reaffirms free enterprise…

Pope Benedict XVI felt it necessary to teach that “Society does not have to protect itself from the market, as if the development of the latter were ipso facto to entail the death of authentically human relations…Therefore it is not the instrument that must be called to account, but individuals, their moral conscience and their personal and social responsibility.” (Caritas et Veritate, Benedict XVI, 2009, #36).
 
Those who pray do not worry! However, even the birds of the air have to get out of their nest to find those worms. Additionally, God said that we are to sweat to earn our bread.

Food is a weapon and Satan intends to use it against us. Start your spring garden today. There is a learning curve for learning how to grow your own food.
Whether food is a weapon that Satan uses against us, I do not know. I do know that he tried to tempt Jesus into turning rocks into bread. Never said I was not working, working. Growing one’s own food is a bit problematic if one lives in an apartment, and in a colder climate. I have grown vegetables in the past, and if God provides an opportunity to do so, it is good advice. Above all else, pray as you suggest, and if dramatic changes occur in this country and in the world, **all of us **will need to be strong in faith and in prayer.

God’s peace.
 
Whether food is a weapon that Satan uses against us, I do not know. I do know that he tried to tempt Jesus into turning rocks into bread. Never said I was not working, working. Growing one’s own food is a bit problematic if one lives in an apartment, and in a colder climate. I have grown vegetables in the past, and if God provides an opportunity to do so, it is good advice. Above all else, pray as you suggest, and if dramatic changes occur in this country and in the world, **all of us **will need to be strong in faith and in prayer.

God’s peace.
Funny that your all bemoaning the collapse of the free market when the Pope called for a new world order of finance and economy that was strictly regulated and controlled. :rolleyes:
 
Abu,

The last thing that I want to do is get into an economic, social, political, or philosophical discussion about capitalism, socialism, communism, or any other ism.

I may be completely wrong in thinking that “Babylon” as described in the book of Revelations represents the free market economy of the world. I may be completely wrong in thinking that the antichrist will be part of this economic system until God allows him to war against it and destroy it. (Rev.17:16-18).

If you think it is selfish for me to say this, that is your call. If what I sense is alarmingly true, and I do not bring up this possibility, it would be selfish of me not to say so. If this does happen, all of us who have put our trust in mammon will be in for a rude awakening.

Truly, God’s peace to you.
 
mercytruth
If you don’t want to “get into an economic, social, political, or philosophical discussion about capitalism, socialism, communism, or any other ism” then why promote such rot as “your understanding” that “the antichrist will have permission by God to destroy the monetary system of the free market financial system?

It is precisely an “ism” – “Catholicism” – that has built Western civilization, now being destroyed by immorality, attempts to muzzle the Church by governments throughout Europe and the U.S.A., and the birth dearth in Western nations.

So many economies are in dire trouble because of the finagling by governments in distorting free enterprise and the absurdities of substituting Welfare Statism against subsidiarity and solidarity as emphasised by the Church, thus encouraging the “world owes me” mentality in contrast to enterprise, prudence, thrift, justice and fortitude. The problem has been self-inflicted by disregarding the Church’s teaching.
 
Funny that your all bemoaning the collapse of the free market when the Pope called for a new world order of finance and economy that was strictly regulated and controlled. :rolleyes:
I doubt that the Pope said that the economy should be “strictly regulated and controlled.” Satan is the one who wants to control us. God gave us free will. A free market is not a regulated and controlled economy. Both parties to an exchange can benefit so long as cooperation is strictly voluntary.

Milton Friedman’s conclusion in his book, Free to Choose:

“The two ideas of human freedom and economic freedom working together came to their greatest fruition in the United States…We have been forgetting the basic truth that the greatest threat to human freedom is the concentration of power, whether in the hands of government or anyone else. We have persuaded ourselves that it is safe to grant power, provided it is for good purposes.”

“We are again recognizing the dangers of an over-governed society, coming to understand that good objectives can be perverted by bad means, that reliance on the freedom of people to control their own lives in accordance with their own values is the surest way to achieve the full potential of a great society.”
 
Mitex #31
the Pope called for a new world order of finance and economy that was strictly regulated and controlled
#35
Fox News covered it
foxnews.com/world/2011/10…conomic-order/
Your wrong!
False, no wonder there is such misrepresentation when there is such a puerile misunderstanding of important facts.
  1. The report cited NOT “the Pope” but “the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace” which tends to its own devices sometimes
  2. There was no “strictly”, no “regulated”, and no “controlled” in that citation.
 
Whenever people discuss the American economy they neglect to realize a basic historical fact.
The single thing that enabled the USA to become rich and powerful was abundant cheap food. Dating from Colonial times, the most ignorant uneducated peasant could come to America, find employment and not only feed himself and his family, but have enough money left over for a luxury or two. Historically, this was the basis of our economy, that is until Congress upset the apple cart in the Clinton administration. That is when the Congress provided economic incentives to industry to divert grain from the food chain into making alcohol for “gasahol”…like the Brazilians have. Within one year after Congress did that, the price of bread doubled.
Well, the Brazilians did not divert anything from their food chain. They simply cleared jungle lands and planted more sugar cane to make their alcohol. Of course, we couldn’t do that because our environmentalists would prohibit that.
And this is going to destroy our economy because the disposable income that once bought TV’s, Refridgerators, Washing machines, etc. is now going into the gas tank and the dinner table.
As for the minimum wage, all that does is lessen the buying power of the dollar because every time it is raised, prices go up and the poor lose any advantage of their pay raise. The minimum wage legislation is the biggest scam ever to be foisted on our people.
If any single thing will destroy America, it is their peoples total ignorance of the science of economics. We tend to believe whatever is touted in the press by whatever pressure group is in favor with the mass media. Just look at the growth of the Federal Government since 2008. We are now being regulated to death by people (bureaucrats) that were never elected!
 
Abu,

freemasonry had as much to do with where we are today in America than anything else. freemasonry founded Mormonism in this country whose intention is to bring the new Jerusalem to America. freemasonry overthrew the monarchy of France. freemasonry infiltrated the Zionism of Israel.

the love of money has brought us to the precipice of self-indulgent rot.

where does it say in scripture that we are endowed with the inalienable right to pursue happiness? the american dream is the antithesis of denying one self, taking up one’s cross and following Jesus Christ.

whose seal is on the back of the dollar? it is not the seal of the Catholic faith.

what kept Europe alive during the dark ages was the Benedictine tradition of communal sharing, prayer and discipline.

We have strongholds in our minds that must be brought down by the truth of our Lord Jesus Christ. When we have tried every type of ism, and have found that they do not work, then we will embrace the kingdom of God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
mercytruth #38
freemasonry had as much to do with where we are today in America than anything else.
Wild hunches and speculations get us nowhere, concerning a financial collapse of the U.S. economy, but facts can and should.

The economies of the West, led by the U.S.A., are widely considered to be “market” economies, but they are not the free enterprise economies arising from the the Catholic Late Scholastics (“the ‘founders’ of scientific economics”) and the Austrian school of economics, because these Western markets are deluged and deluded by interventionism.

The start was in 1929, and when FDR took office in March 1933 consolidated it by even worse policies – he institutionalized the Great Depression.

If Coolidge made 1929 inevitable, it was President Hoover who prolonged and deepened the depression, transforming it from a typically sharp but swiftly-disappearing depression into a lingering and near-fatal malady, a malady “cured” only by the holocaust of World War II. Hoover, not Franklin Roosevelt, was the founder of the policy of the “New Deal”: essentially the massive use of the State to do exactly what Misesian theory would most warn against — to prop up wage rates above their free-market levels, prop up prices, inflate credit, and lend money to shaky business positions. Roosevelt only advanced, to a greater degree, what Hoover had pioneered. The result for the first time in American history, was a nearly perpetual depression and nearly permanent mass unemployment. The Coolidge crisis had become the unprecedentedly prolonged Hoover-Roosevelt depression

Further, At Hoover’s insistence, followed by FDR, wages remained high even throughout the Great Depression propping up unemployment at an average of 18% throughout. The Keynesian “purchasing power” fallacy of prosperity had trumped over the fact that savings are the source of investment. Yet Americans bought more than twice as many refrigerators in 1935 with unemployment over 20% than they bought in 1929 with unemployment at 3.2%, but over a million had no wages at all. By 1938, 1.2 million were out of work. The continued failure was to realise that wages are a cost of doing business and that for maximum employment have to reach a sustainable level.

The Great Depression was fuelled by Hoover and then F.D.R. using his socialist New Deal by raising taxes, expanding public works spending, establishing welfare programs, destroying existing crops, imposing acreage reduction requirements, legislating for cartels to establish minimum selling prices, and limit output. We all know how deep and long that fiasco was.

Without those policies econometric estimates show that the “Depression would have been completely over (less than 5% unemployment) by 1936.” [Richard K Vedder & Lowell E Gallaway, *Out of Work: Unemployment and Government in Twentieth-Century America (New York, Holmes & Meier, 1993, p 142].

More recently, as Federal Reserve chairman between 1987 and 2006, Greenspan acted even more irresponsibly than the Fed officials he was criticizing. Rather than, “sopping up the excess reserves,” Greenspan added even more, transforming a stock market bubble into a housing and consumer spending bubble of historic and unprecedented proportions.[3]
[3] Peter Schiff, *Crash Proof: How to Profit from the Coming Economic Collapse *(Hoboken, NJ: John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 2007), pp. xiii-xiv.
 
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