The Final Judgment Of CAF

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I don’t know what I’m doing on that site. Seems I have to jump through hoops and save any CA page I click. Someone who knows what’s going on with that site could probably archive both CA versions with a couple of clicks.
 
Pufi said:
My problem is that we cannot agree on even the most basic concepts, like “love”, “murder”, and the like… I have been around for more than 10 years, and never could establish a common ground, on which we could strive to reach an agreement.
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And what’s a pity to me is that it sounds like you might have wasted ten years trying? That is, wasted because if your goal was to try to pull Catholics off the rock of Peter where the dogmas are preserved, you never could have found the common ground you were seeking, unless you stepped onto the common ground of the Rock, or you pulled someone off the Rock into the shifting sands.

As you note, Catholics have a permanent position on what constitutes murder, that cannot be changed (even by a pope). Whereas you start from secular grounds (and then apply a rational process), we start from, or are at least open to, religious grounds (and then apply a rational process). It’s possible for sincere, well-meaning people to come to understand whatever internal coherence there is in another person’s argument – but still to reject it because there’s a starting premise which the two parties disagree about. (E.g. “There is a God.” “There is no God.”)

Rational argument does not require that every dogma be explained on merely “secular” grounds. That’s not what rationality means; rational and secular are not synonyms.

As it is, these forums are closing. So one way or another at least the unproductive conversations can come to an end. 🙂 I hope you enjoy a wonderful and fruitful holiday season ahead!
 
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Pufi said:
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MNathaniel:
That’s not what rationality means; rational and secular are not synonyms.
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Another stumbling block. They are synonyms.
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Not according to an English language dictionary:
Rational
adjective

based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
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Secular
adjective

denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis.
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As you can see, these are not synonyms, and the definitions leave it easily open for a person to be secular but non-rational, or rational but non-secular.

If you’ve been here ten years though and truly think that faithlessness and reason are synonyms, I don’t imagine I’ll change your opinion in a month.

Incidentally, while you said you’ve been trying to have conversations here for ten years, your current account is only five days old. Have you recently been banned or suspended?
 
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Time to rouse awake members here who checkin once in a while or may be taking a break …I can think of several I’ll message ,so they can swap contact info ,look at the new sites.
 
Pufi said:
Just remember. You are in our, secular world, not a theocracy. The meanings are not defined by Catholicism. If we cannot agree on the meaning of such simple concepts as “ love ”, there can be no conversation. And that is very sad.
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Agree to disagree. 🙂 In the end, you and I are in God’s world. And every knee will bend and every tongue will confess Jesus as Lord: whether before death or after.

I will continue, for the rest of my life, to use the definition of words consistent with this eternal reality. Whether or not atheists complain that I haven’t adopted their atheistic definitions this side of the grave.

This side of the grave doesn’t last very long. The other side lasts forever. And it’s sort of the ultimate theocracy.
 
It will be like the final episode of Little House on the Prairie.
 
Love is not a simple concept in words.
The pain caused by crucifixion is a simple concept.
That was enough to communicate to an entire Western Civilization for thousands of years, the meaning of everything that matters.
 
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Greenfields said:
But but…the Hotel you can never check out of …🙀
The roof’s caving in ! The wall’s are buckling …!
(Grabbing the coffee Cauldron and running for the door…)
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The radiance was that of the full, setting, and blood-red moon which now shone vividly through that once barely-discernible fissure of which I have before spoken as extending from the roof of the building, in a zig-zag direction, to the base. While I gazed, this fissure rapidly widened --there came a fierce breath of the whirlwind --the entire orb of the satellite burst at once upon my sight --my brain reeled as I saw the mighty walls rushing asunder --there was a long tumultuous shouting sound like the voice of a thousand waters --and the deep and dank tarn at my feet closed sullenly and silently over the fragments of the “HOUSE OF USHER.”

“Fall of the House of Usher”, E. A. Poe
 
I haven’t seen CAF this lively since we first emerged into the newly revamped site a few years ago and people were very happy and chatty 🙂
 
I had no idea there was a gif of an aspie brain during a sensory overload.
 
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