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OsculeturMeOsculo
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If I said that having Cardinal Sarah might make a good pope will I get flagged? Maybe the next pope should be from North Korea.
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Maximilian75
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I don’t think so, no
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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About North Korea or Cardinal Sarah? Isn’t Pope Francis technically the first American Pope since he was from South America?
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Maximilian75
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I mean USA, but I get where you’re coming from haha
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RandomAlias
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Pope Random
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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I don’t think choosing the Pope by random is a good idea.
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Augustinian
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An American Pope would really encourage vocations in the United States for sure.
Ambitious Americans might be more likely to enter the priesthood if they thought there was a realistic chance they could get the top job.
Americans always want to be on top.
Ambitious Americans might be more likely to enter the priesthood if they thought there was a realistic chance they could get the top job.
Americans always want to be on top.
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phil19034
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Doubtful
- Lincoln isn’t an archdiocese and never will be (Omaha is)
- I don’t see the Cardinals electing a non-Cardinal as Pope anytime soon.
- because the big cities in America, where Cardinals are typically at are mostly liberal, it’s doubtful that anyone will recommend moving a Bishop from Lincoln to one of those cities. (Houston perhaps being the only exception - and a long shot of Philadelphia, but Philly seems to have lost its red cap, unless Pope Francis is simply skipping over Archbishop Chaput)
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phil19034
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He would actually be a very possible candidate if he becomes and Archbishop & Cardinal. I think of all the American Bishops, he’s the one (with Cardinal O’Malley a distant 2nd) who would have the best chance of being elected.
Because as someone has previously posted, most Cardinals are against an American Pope for a number of reasons (some actually valid)
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phil19034
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Yes, but odds are still not in their favor.
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RandomAlias
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No, no, no! Random is the name I will choose.
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Augustinian
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I’d agree with this. Electing someone who isn’t in the conclave brings up the possibility that they’ll decline.
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PetraG
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Take it how you will, but I don’t think there will be a Pope elected from the USA until the USA declines drastically in her political position in the secular sphere.
How many priests likely to be made bishop from the diocese you are nominating are fluent in several languages? There only has to be one, of course, but statistically speaking you need a pool of possibilities who are fully conversant in several languages. (I don’t know how common that is in Nebraska, actually. Is it very common? Not very common?)
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Augustinian
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Popes from influential and prosperous countries have been elected before.
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phil19034
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I don’t really think that’s the main reason.
Cardinals worldwide have been against the idea of an American Pope since the 1800s, when Americans (Laity and Bishops alike) were trying to democratize the Church, and later the Heresy of Americanism - coined by Pope Leo XIII
What scares most worldwide Bishops about an American Pope is American values are anti-Catholic in many ways.
They also don’t like the financial power the American Catholics have, and fear further Americanizing the Church. One Americanism has already happened with the national bishop conferences (which was created by Americans in the 1800s, and used as the template for the national bishop conferences after Vatican II). Some bishops around the world still don’t like the bishop conferences.
They also fear that American Catholics all fall into one of two camps:
- Americanist Heretics
- “fundamentalists Catholics” influenced by American Protestantism.
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PetraG
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There are so many reasons, it is hard to count them all. We shouldn’t fool ourselves about that.
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phil19034
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Very true, very true indeed. But most of the reasons go back over 100 yearsphil19034:
There are so many reasons, it is hard to count them all. We shouldn’t fool ourselves about that.
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Augustinian
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Until John Paul was elected, it was all Italians elected as Pope for a long time.
Popes are the bishop of an Italian diocese and for a long time were a secular ruler of a large Italian state.
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phil19034
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True.phil19034:
Until John Paul was elected, it was all Italians elected as Pope for a long time.
Popes are the bishop of an Italian diocese and for a long time were a secular ruler of a large Italian state.
Look, I would love be to see and America Pope in my lifetime (I’m 40). But I don’t expect to see one.
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Augustinian
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Really?
Are they accurate, do you think? Are there a lot of fundamentalist bishops serving in the United States?
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