The first American Pope

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PetraG said:
In Spanish, however, “Soy americano” has the broader meaning, such that someone who’d call themselves an American in English would be taught to say, “soy estadounidense” in Spanish.
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The “soy esadounidense” depends on the nation. And I think it was orginally a very Argentinian thing. The nation that gets the most upset with the “American” thing is the Argentinians. But it’s now growing.

My mother is a native Spanish speaker and never heard of such a thing. Granted, she’s from Puerto Rico.

And when I took Spanish in middle school, high school and college; I was taught to say “Yo soy americano.” I never heard of “soy estadounidense”

You never hear people from New Guinea complaining about not being called Australians, because New Guinea is completely part of the continental plate of Australia and used to be connected.

And one can argue that perhaps the United States of America should have been named the United States of Columbia instead, we are not. Because again, in English, there is no Continent called “America.” There is only North America and South America. People from South America are “South Americans.” People from North America are “North Americans.”

If we were called the “United States of North America” (like how some South Americans like to refer to us) then we would have stole the name of the continent. But we didn’t because America isn’t the name of any continent.

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I’m American. Deal With It, South Americans.

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Dovekin said:
Turkson is far more likely than Arinze or Sarah to be the next African Pope. (7/1 vs 16/1 for Sarah at oddschecker.com.) Turkson is 70 which, unlike some earlier speculation here, is close to the perfect age. It is about the age of Luciani when he became John Paul I. His quick death pushed the Cardinals to choose a very young man, 58 year old Wotyla (John Paul II). His long pontificate probably means the young Tagle will not be elected, but he still listed as the best chance at 6/1.
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Actually, Cardinal Luciani was 65 when he became Pope John Paul I.
 
Even if he could turn it around, I dont think he would. Burke is the allegorical Rand Paul of more conservative Catholics- Never a viable candidate for the high office, but always a rallying point for them.
 
No, i think he enjoys his “cult status” among politically right leaning American Catholics. He is too divisive, even for the more Conservative prelates.
 
Exactly- He enjoys being the flag bearer for Trads too much to put down that flag in order to be a papabile.
 
I guess mostly because I feel that the Magisterium has always seen the United States collectively and Ireland as a whole as “renegade” Catholic countries that are to be tolerated but not worthy of consideration for the Papacy…

Again, just my opinion.
 
phil19034 said:
My mother is a native Spanish speaker and never heard of such a thing. Granted, she’s from Puerto Rico.
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She is a citizen of the United States, so that isn’t a huge surprise. She’d be an American no matter how you slice it.
phil19034 said:
And when I took Spanish in middle school, high school and college; I was taught to say “Yo soy americano.” I never heard of “soy estadounidense”
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Well, now they are teaching that if you go anywhere else in the Americas and say “soy americano,” the dry response is not unlikely to be: “yo también.” It is possible that this has gotten to be more of a “thing” now than in the past; I have no idea.

Certainly, the Pope is counted as a Pope from the Americas, which is the thread topic.
 
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PetraG said:
Certainly, the Pope is counted as a Pope from the Americas, which is the thread topic.
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Right. No one would ever deny the Pope being “from the Americas.”

The question is whether he’s an “American” or a “South American.” I would argue, he’s a “South American.”
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She is a citizen of the United States, so that isn’t a huge surprise. She’d be an American no matter how you slice it.
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Maybe, but Puerto Ricans typically don’t call themselves Americans. They usually refer to “Americans” as being the people from the States who don’t speak Spanish.

So for example, let’s say a non-Hispanic couple from Boston buys a vacation home in Rincon, PR. The the Puerto Ricans will say: “Americans live in that house.”

Native Puerto Ricans typically view themselves as having “Puerto Rican” nationality with “U.S. Citizenship,” even the ones who are pro-statehood.
 
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phil19034 said:
Right. No one would ever deny the Pope being “from the Americas.”

The question is whether he’s an “American” or a “South American.” I would argue, he’s a “South American.”
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Call him what you want; I don’t think a Pope who is American by the other definition is coming any time soon. We probably ought to get our vicarious pride out of the one we have, because I wouldn’t be surprised if our hemisphere, let alone North America, is left out of the running for a long time to come.
 
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PetraG said:
Call him what you want; I don’t think a Pope who is American by the other definition is coming any time soon. We probably ought to get our vicarious pride out of the one we have, because I wouldn’t be surprised if our hemisphere, let alone North America, is left out of the running for a long time to come.
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That I agree with. Again, the only North American I see possible becoming Pope is Bishop Barron, if he becomes a Cardinal before he’s too old. And maybe Cardinal O’Malley if Pope Francis resigns.
 
If there is a contentious conclave, you might be surprised by compromise candidates.

It is on reason, I think a person like O’Malley has a shot.
 
We are living different times. I think the Tiber will prevail over the Rhine sooner than later.
 
Look at the men that Francis has given the red hat to. The college to cardinals will soon be at 50% men that he has appointed.

And it’s those men who will elect the next pope. At the present time, there is no indication that Pope Francis’ pontificate is coming to an end.

These men that the Pope has made cardinals are hardly likely to elect Burke.
 
I’m not saying it will be Burke, nor saying it’s gonna be some conservative Pope anytime this or the next year.

I’m just saying that we should observe more carefully a rebirth in Tradition inside the Roman Catholic Church. And I truly believe it is going to reach the Holy See and the Chair of Saint Peter sooner than we expect.
 
I know of Cardinal DiNardo, Dolan. Wuerl, Burke, Cupich, and that just off the top of their head.
 
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