The first Latin Mass I've attended

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“Oremus” is a bit more polite that the meaning of the equivalent in byzantine 🤣

What we today translate as, “Wisdom! Be Attentive” was really along the lines of “Shut up and listen!” in St. John Chrysotum’s day, according to some scholars.

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I did think it was incredibly beautiful when the priest elevated the Host and the altar server held out the priests vestments behind him. I don’t know what the specific significance of it is as a gesture, but the sight of the Host being lifted like that was very moving.
It’s to help Father lift his arms. 😛 No, seriously, it is!


Sorry if it’s not quite as profound as you may have wanted, but that’s the beauty of the TLM: aesthetics mixed with practicality!
 
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Hello everyone! It was an interesting experience. It wasn’t well attended for Masses at my parish, and only a few people there seemed to know what to do, some were kneeling in places, and others stood, and it was impossible to follow anyone.
My Latin is fairly rudimentary so I struggled to keep up with where we were in the Mass and obviously the priest had his back to me so I couldn’t see any of the gestures which could help.
I did think it was incredibly beautiful when the priest elevated the Host and the altar server held out the priests vestments behind him. I don’t know what the specific significance of it is as a gesture, but the sight of the Host being lifted like that was very moving.

I decided not to receive. We don’t have an altar rail, but they had set up a kneeler at the end of the aisle, so I saw how it was done. I personally didn’t feel properly disposed because I hadn’t really caught the general confession until after I registered the words ‘Mea culpa’, but I’m always very content to be in the presence of Christ, and I’ve always loved seeing His people go up to receive, so I was fine with that.

I wasn’t overwhelmed, I have to say, but I didn’t hate it, and the new curate seems young and enthusiastic.
Thanks for the update. I hope you have the opportunity to go again, if you wish. I’m always happy to experience different forms of Catholic worship, even if it is not my thing.

I’m happy for you that you have such a young and enthusiastic young curate, especially one who loves tradition.
 
Not in the least bit disappointing - it creates a beautiful image, making me think of the grace of God flowing down to the congregation, but the practicality of it’s origin is exactly why I love Catholicism.

The bells at significant moments are some of my favourite things for the same reasons - and my visit to the EF Mass was a great way to learn exactly why the bells were so necessary because I wouldn’t have known when certain things were happening without them!!
 
Thanks. As bishop, he had issues we just don’t have today.

He also separated the men and women at Hagia Sophia–not on principal, but he was having problems with, err, carnal behavior during liturgy, including by his clergy!

He also significantly shortened the liturgy–down to about two and a half hours.

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I was asking for advice about the practicalities to be aware of so that I didn’t do something irreverent or distracting to others.
Joy, do yourself a favor. Don’t sweat it. Pick an inconspicuous place to sit and just observe. Don’t feel you have to know what to do and when to do it. You’ll learn. When you feel more brave, sit in the first pew and observe the priest close up.

Just follow what everyone else is doing. You will be fine. 🌞
 
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I told my kids about this today and they’ve been shouting Oremus at each other all day. I love it when they don’t listen to me properly and combine this kind of daft stuff with the long summer holidays!!😣😂
 
I’d been meaning to go to a Latin Mass for a while so this evening I’ve attended my first one. It was a Low Mass and I found it incredibly difficult to follow. I figured that not knowing any Latin would be my only issue, but it was at a whispered level so I couldn’t even follow its structure. We, the congregation, hardly participated either… I hadn’t expected that. I thought we’d be speaking the responses, but that didn’t happen… it was the server only, and his whisper was almost indistinguishable from the priest’s. Basically I felt like I was just an observer, rather than a participant. It did feel holy, though… I’ll give it that. Anyway, I plan to attend a Sung Mass in a couple of weeks from now, so that will be much easier to follow 🙂
 
We, the congregation, hardly participated either… I hadn’t expected that. I thought we’d be speaking the responses, but that didn’t happen… it was the server only,
Back in the 1960’s, during Traditional days when Latin Mass was the only Mass, the Low Mass which you saw was the usual Mass for the great majority of Catholics. High Mass and other sung Masses were just a lot more rare
 
Back in the 1960’s, during Traditional days when Latin Mass was the only Mass, the Low Mass which you saw was the usual Mass for the great majority of Catholics. High Mass and other sung Masses were just a lot more rare
Well, I attended this evening with my mother as she remembers the time when Mass was always in Latin. She said this was the first time she felt like she was an observer only, though she could follow it a little better than I could as she does know Latin, so I wasn’t sure whether this was the norm or not. She seems to recall Masses from the past as beautiful and all High Masses 😉 but that could just be her memory or how we look back fondly to the past.
 
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Just to clarify, there will still be a lot that is very quiet / whispered in the High Mass.
 
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We, the congregation, hardly participated either… I hadn’t expected that. I thought we’d be speaking the responses, but that didn’t happen… it was the server only,
Back in the 1960’s, during Traditional days when Latin Mass was the only Mass, the Low Mass which you saw was the usual Mass for the great majority of Catholics. High Mass and other sung Masses were just a lot more rare
This itself is one of the many issues that existed in the Roman Rite prior to the reform. The High Mass is normative, so much so that there are aspects of the Low Mass that can only be explained in relation to the High Mass. The fact that the Low Mass had become so pervasive was definitely considered problematic.
 
I went to the EF High Mass at the Cathedral for the Assumption. It’s apparently a tradition here, with beauiful instrumental and choral music from various eras. (And ABSOLUTELY NO APPLAUSE. )

It was very nice, except as usual I had a noisier-than-normal kid bellowing and making loud raspberry and snorting noises behind me for most of the first half of the Mass. For about 10 minutes before the Consecration, there was also a baby with incredible lung power wailing nonstop in the vestibule until finally one of the ushers shut the doors so it wasn’t ringing through the whole cavernous place. I figured Mother Mary would probably be kind to wailing children at her Mass though.
 
I had the treat of attending Latin High Mass for the Assumption as well. It was beautiful, the music was very nice, really the kids in front of me were super cute and well-behaved. The mom even had a tiny veil on her tiny baby’s head.
 
I’d been meaning to go to a Latin Mass for a while so this evening I’ve attended my first one. It was a Low Mass and I found it incredibly difficult to follow. I figured that not knowing any Latin would be my only issue, but it was at a whispered level so I couldn’t even follow its structure. We, the congregation, hardly participated either… I hadn’t expected that. I thought we’d be speaking the responses, but that didn’t happen… it was the server only, and his whisper was almost indistinguishable from the priest’s. Basically I felt like I was just an observer, rather than a participant. It did feel holy, though… I’ll give it that. Anyway, I plan to attend a Sung Mass in a couple of weeks from now, so that will be much easier to follow 🙂
This was one of my reactions to the EF Mass and continues to be an issue for me. I’ve no problem with silent prayers, ad orientem worship, etc., but I always feel as though I have no part in the Mass. I have come to appreciate the Mass, even the Low Mass, but I do not seek it out as preferable to the Divine Liturgy or an Ordinary Form Mass. It helps, I’m sure, that I have some outstanding choices for OF Masses if I cannot attend Divine Liturgy.
 
It helps, I’m sure, that I have some outstanding choices for OF Masses if I cannot attend Divine Liturgy.
I’m fortunate in that the OF Mass I attend has all the trimmings and is 100% in line with Sacrosanctum Concilium and the Missal: Latin/Greek Gregorian chant propers and ordinary, French plainchant for the rest, all beautifully done and beautifully sung. And this even at weekday Mass. It gives me no desire to drive the 100 km or so to make it to the nearest non-SSPX EF Mass. Moreover I know a fellow Gregorian chorister and fellow member of the Gregorian Institute of Canada who has been to that EF Mass, and said that the Gregorian chant was abysmal.

That’s enough to put me off, I can’t stand mangled chant, I’d much prefer a low (EF) or said (OF) Mass instead.
 
The fact that the Low Mass had become so pervasive was definitely considered problematic.
The low mass was a liturgical abuse the spread util it was normalized. The origin is mass stipends from the wealthy, and letting a monk knock off more masses per day for the es 😦 ISTR it was Trebt that normalized them.
I’ve no problem with silent prayers, ad orientem worship, etc., but I always feel as though I have no part in the Mass. I h
Older versions of the Mass had larger parts for the people, but with the rise of the low mass, etc., just which parts were which was forgotten. so pretty much all parts ended up with the priest for good measure. 😦 🤯

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