THe First Mass after the Resurrection, What happened to Jesus?

[bpbasilphx]

Why did Jesus vanish?

**To go to Jerusalem. Though what is not clear in this passage is whether this “breaking of bread” in Emmaus was in fact a Mass.

I personally don’t think it was.**

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Why did Jesus vanish?

**To go to Jerusalem. Though what is not clear in this passage is whether this “breaking of bread” in Emmaus was in fact a Mass.

I personally don’t think it was.**

**If you are familiar with the Catholic Mass, it parallels this description of the Mass, beginning with the liturgy of the Word, from the old testament,( Law and prophets) to the new testament. What is interesting, at the Mass, the Priest in persona Christi, explains how these scriptures at each Mass how they reveal Jesus, just how Jesus revealed himself to his disciples through the scriptures, followed by the liturgy of the Eucharist, the breaking of bread is how they recognized him. So it is in the Mass, all Catholics recognize Jesus in the liturgy of the word and the liturgy of the Eucharist, and then when he is consumed according to the Law, he disappears from our sight, and found in our mind, from the liturgy of the word, then in our hearts from recognizing him, then in all of our strength when we consume the body, blood, soul, and divinity. As we are called to love God with all our mind, heart and strength.

Peace.**

 

[Rocky]

To NDfan,

Even though Paul said the flesh is sinful, I think you are taking this too far. To think that only the spirit is good and flesh is always sinful seems to be an ancient heresy to me, although I am not sure of the name for this. And I think this heresy has had many incarnations throughout the past 2,000 years.

Actually in Genesis God makes the man and the woman and calls them and all He has created “very good.” Jesus came in the flesh to redeem us. Obviously His Flesh is not sinful— not when he walked the earth before His death and not now as He is still clothed in His resurrected Flesh. And it is His resurrected sinless Flesh that we eat and drink during the Eucharist, which He Himself proclaimed as real food and real drink.

If He says “This is My Body, this is My Blood” as He did at the Last Supper, who are we to deny that it is what He has proclaimed it to be?

 

[jfallaw]

It seems plain to me too, but I think we disagree. Good thing we have the church so we know what is true when two of us disagree!

The structure of the earliest liturgies seems that they went to the temple for the services and then to a home for a meal which ended in the eucharist. But later the Jewish Christians changed this because were not admitted into the temple. This couldn’t have continued anyway because of the gentiles coming into the church. In Acts, we see that they listened to scripture readings and preaching (long enough for someone to doze off and fall off the window sill) followed by the ‘breaking of the bread’. Looking back, we would say these were the first celebrations of the Lord’s Supper or Mass or Divine Liturgy which were words that were later used to describe this.

Am I the only one guilty of laughing when he hears that particular scripture? I mean, I imagine the poor guy trying to stay awake, God bless him, really trying, and just kind of slow-mo nodding off then, ‘no!’- out the window…

 

[jfallaw]

Why did Jesus vanish?

**To go to Jerusalem. Though what is not clear in this passage is whether this “breaking of bread” in Emmaus was in fact a Mass.

I personally don’t think it was.**

I don’t think it was anything like the mass we know and love today. More like the ‘agape’ feasts AFTER worship. Why else would Paul warn about getting filled on the bread and drunk on the wine? Had to be more bread and wine than just enough to consume as Eucharist. Of course this doesn’t bother me; I feel no need to worship exactly as the Apostles did because for one, I am not a middle-eastern Jewish male in the year 3, and secondly Jesus made it possible for his Apostles and their disciples to lead the Church throughout all time and I trust that church to do so in exactly thew way He would have it.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

I don’t think it was anything like the mass we know and love today. More like the ‘agape’ feasts AFTER worship. Why else would Paul warn about getting filled on the bread and drunk on the wine? Had to be more bread and wine than just enough to consume as Eucharist. Of course this doesn’t bother me; I feel no need to worship exactly as the Apostles did because for one, I am not a middle-eastern Jewish male in the year 3, and secondly Jesus made it possible for his Apostles and their disciples to lead the Church throughout all time and I trust that church to do so in exactly thew way He would have it.

I agree, it is not just like the Mass today, but the Mass today follows this trip to Emmaus. What the op is why did Jesus vanish, or where do you think he vanished to, after he was recognized in the breaking of bread?

 

[Claire_from_DE]

Iam confused by your statement? what do you mean we are not told that he did this after the resurrection at any time? Did you read Luke 24:30-31? Why did Jesus vanish?

The scriptures don’t say that Jesus broke the bread and said ‘this is my body’ when he ate with the disciples on the way to Emmaus. He ate a meal with them and during the meal he allowed them to recognize him. You may speculate that this was a celebration of eucharist but this isn’t specified. Certainly, to say that Jesus went into the bread is not accurate. At the last supper, Jesus didn’t vanish from sight. I think it would be correct to say that this appearance of Jesus points toward the eucharist but not that this was a mass.

After Jesus had explained to the disciples all the scriptures relating to the messiah, he vanished. The bible doesn’t tell us the reason. But the disciples immediately returned to Jerusalem to share his appearance and what he said with the apostles. Presumably, if Jesus had remained with them, they would not have left him and returned to Jerusalem. So my speculation is that he left them so they would get moving and return to Jerusalem.

 

[jfallaw]

I agree, it is not just like the Mass today, but the Mass today follows this trip to Emmaus. What the op is why did Jesus vanish, or where do you think he vanished to, after he was recognized in the breaking of bread?

haha I deliberately avoided that question. I’ve always wondered about Jesus’ disappearances. Like at the ascension, did He really just kind of float up into the sky until He disappeared? Sounds like it. I kind of find it hard to imagine. A flash of light and ‘poof’ like in the movies always seemed more right to me lol. meh.

 

[NE_Alabama]

haha I deliberately avoided that question. I’ve always wondered about Jesus’ disappearances. Like at the ascension, did He really just kind of float up into the sky until He disappeared? Sounds like it. I kind of find it hard to imagine. A flash of light and ‘poof’ like in the movies always seemed more right to me lol. meh.

You sound like a modern teenager.

St Luke was an adult, writing in the late 1st century. He wrote poetically; the Ascension was something that can only be faithfully seen, not described as an after-event - St Luke had to write about it with what one can call “poetic license”. For example, take the collapse of New York City’s “twin towers” and reverse and multiply that a trillion times over within a tiny few meter radius, and you might understand what the Ascension felt like; that is: impossible to describe.

As for “what happened to Jesus at the first 'Mass”?

Jesus IS the Mass! When it was over, so was His presence! That is, until every bit of bread and wine was consumed, He is still present! Remember THAT this year, when you encounter an empty Tabernacle; if it’s empty, God is no longer with us. Until the Holy Saturday Vigil, that is.

 

[paarsurrey]

THe First Mass after the Resurrection, What happened to Jesus?

Hi

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.
To me, Jesus did not die on Cross, so there was no resurrection and no first or anyother mass.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

You sound like a modern teenager.

St Luke was an adult, writing in the late 1st century. He wrote poetically; the Ascension was something that can only be faithfully seen, not described as an after-event - St Luke had to write about it with what one can call “poetic license”. For example, take the collapse of New York City’s “twin towers” and reverse and multiply that a trillion times over within a tiny few meter radius, and you might understand what the Ascension felt like; that is: impossible to describe.

As for “what happened to Jesus at the first 'Mass”?

Jesus IS the Mass! When it was over, so was His presence! That is, until every bit of bread and wine was consumed, He is still present! Remember THAT this year, when you encounter an empty Tabernacle; if it’s empty, God is no longer with us. Until the Holy Saturday Vigil, that is.

Leave it to the Alabama’s to tell it like it is. So when in the breaking of the bread they recognized Jesus, and then vanished, is to conclude This communion was over, and they left Mass, to go out and proclaim the good news, Just as we are called to do after Mass, to proclaim Jesus to all after holy communion in the Mass = este misa est= to go forth.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

The scriptures don’t say that Jesus broke the bread and said ‘this is my body’ when he ate with the disciples on the way to Emmaus. He ate a meal with them and during the meal he allowed them to recognize him. You may speculate that this was a celebration of eucharist but this isn’t specified.

**You are correct Jesus does not reveal the consecrated formula here as he did at the last supper. But it doesnt say that he didn’t either. Now remember the passover meal had just happened and was celebrated during his passion. So we know it was not that.

verse 30 And it happened that, while he was with them at table, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them. With that their eyes were opened and they recognized him.**

Tell me is the way they ate all there meals, give from one anothers plate?

Certainly, to say that Jesus went into the bread is not accurate. At the last supper, Jesus didn’t vanish from sight. I think it would be correct to say that this appearance of Jesus points toward the eucharist but not that this was a mass.

I respect your opinion, but who said Jesus went into the bread, better yet who teaches such a thing?

After Jesus had explained to the disciples all the scriptures relating to the messiah, he vanished. The bible doesn’t tell us the reason. But the disciples immediately returned to Jerusalem to share his appearance and what he said with the apostles. Presumably, if Jesus had remained with them, they would not have left him and returned to Jerusalem. So my speculation is that he left them so they would get moving and return to Jerusalem.

This is interesting, you dont think he vanished. What does vanish mean? How is it that Jesus can appear to the apostles while they were in a locked room?

 

[jfallaw]

You sound like a modern teenager.

St Luke was an adult, writing in the late 1st century. He wrote poetically; the Ascension was something that can only be faithfully seen, not described as an after-event - St Luke had to write about it with what one can call “poetic license”. For example, take the collapse of New York City’s “twin towers” and reverse and multiply that a trillion times over within a tiny few meter radius, and you might understand what the Ascension felt like; that is: impossible to describe.

As for “what happened to Jesus at the first 'Mass”?

Jesus IS the Mass! When it was over, so was His presence! That is, until every bit of bread and wine was consumed, He is still present! Remember THAT this year, when you encounter an empty Tabernacle; if it’s empty, God is no longer with us. Until the Holy Saturday Vigil, that is.

Oh. Wow that’s a good way to put it.