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I guaruntee anyone who hold these veiws will be mocked 200 years from now the same as those who defended colonialism and earth-centered-solar-system-ism.
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Captain_America
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This topic comes from a broader topic----the contemporary idea that we are equally fungible persons, only generic individuals, devoid of personality, character, abilities, etc.,
just a blank slate. . .
This isn’t true, of course. The Kantian stuff here is palpably false: some people run faster than me, some people look more handsome. I, as a father and dad, have some highly specific roles to perform, and these are very much a part of who I am.
I can’t wash these roles away anymore than I can wash away my color or my gender.
As a boy, my mother asked me if I would consider becoming a priest. This, to me, was and is, a boring job. I have always thought the sisters had much more dynamic, more fulfilling parts to play.
OF course, part of the reason for this topic is the Achiever Orientation that we are raised in. . . we want to be the tops in the class, the leader and not the follower, and for some, the role of priest is perceived as head honcho. . . for me, I think that’s YOUR mistake if you have this view.
I DO FEEL SORRY for those women who have wrapped up their desires and egos toward becoming a priest. But I don’t think we should serve these emotions and desires.
just a blank slate. . .
This isn’t true, of course. The Kantian stuff here is palpably false: some people run faster than me, some people look more handsome. I, as a father and dad, have some highly specific roles to perform, and these are very much a part of who I am.
I can’t wash these roles away anymore than I can wash away my color or my gender.
As a boy, my mother asked me if I would consider becoming a priest. This, to me, was and is, a boring job. I have always thought the sisters had much more dynamic, more fulfilling parts to play.
OF course, part of the reason for this topic is the Achiever Orientation that we are raised in. . . we want to be the tops in the class, the leader and not the follower, and for some, the role of priest is perceived as head honcho. . . for me, I think that’s YOUR mistake if you have this view.
I DO FEEL SORRY for those women who have wrapped up their desires and egos toward becoming a priest. But I don’t think we should serve these emotions and desires.
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GEddie
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I am male, as my S-N should make clear (Eddie, not Edie).
And FWIW, female Catholic priests might be a great idea in an alternate universe where angry feminists rule the landscape, but in this one, it just ain’t gonna happen. Get over it.
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And FWIW, female Catholic priests might be a great idea in an alternate universe where angry feminists rule the landscape, but in this one, it just ain’t gonna happen. Get over it.
ICXC NIKA
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Joe_5859
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They may be mocked (as many are mocked even today), but they’ll still be correct and the practice of ordaining only men will still be the same then as it is now.
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PJH_74
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The Catholic church is having issues attracting men to the Priesthood in the US and I presume Canada. I doubt it’s the presence of female Pastors causing men to “shirk their call”.
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Brendan_64
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“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son”.
Female priests are an impossibility, Ordinatio Sacerdotalis makes that crystal clear.
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Wesrock
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There it is.
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Wesrock
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Also, the response in the first post goes beyond Catholic teaching in what it’s attacking.
Of course, one doesn’t have to be a priest to make Christ present in any number of ways. Men and women participate in Christ as priests, prophets, and kings, though we don’t all participate in the ministerial priesthood.
See the first point.
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Windmill
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An all-male priesthood is the constant testimony of God’s covenants over 5,000 years and two Testaments. Christ selected all men as apostles, His infallible Church has continued with an all-male priesthood. I have confidence in God’s plan as opposed to feminists’ plans. In 1,000 years, the Catholic Church will still have an all-male hierarchy, the United States will be read about in history books just like the Roman Empire, and the feminist movement will be all but forgotten.
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OraLabora
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It’s an ontological thing. Just like an XY male cannot become an XX female, or a same-sex couple cannot be “married” (at least to each other!), the priesthood is in the nature of men, not women. No amount of heartfelt sentiment can change an ontological reality.
God made men and women distinct. Without wanting to sound crass, men cannot have babies and women cannot be priests. As a man and father, I have had to stand back in awe at my wife as she grew a life inside her, gave birth, and nurtured new life. Three times. As much as I wanted to be involved as a father, I could not ever be a “mother” to my sons; a women’s motherhood instincts gift her to do things beyond my reach. It was humbling indeed to watch this process, that did leave me a little bit jealous! But in the end we have to accept the nature God gave us.
On the other hand men have their own instincts. My wife gets annoyed at me when we travel by public transport. My wife likes to wander off and look at shops in airports or train stations, and I start to get nervous and start acting like a shepherd trying to round her up to the gate as the departure time gets closer. It’s in my nature and it drives my wife crazy but I can’t help myself. Similarly God wanted shepherds for His flock and for bringing His sacraments. If He had wanted this role assigned to women, there would have been women apostles.
Tongue-in-cheek sometimes I say to people who want women’s ordination but are thin on theology, that the person at the altar is acting in Persona Christi, and thus would you get someone like Elisabeth Taylor (RIP… I’m giving away my age) play Winston Churchill in a movie? Sorry if that sounds crass but it boils down to the ontology and our natures.
A woman got to carry God inside her. How awesome is that? NO man can boast that, and NO man other than her Son even comes close to her awesomeness; He of course surpasses it, but He is God. None of the rest of us mere mortals even come close.
I’ve grown somewhat close to a community of Benedictine women of the same congregation as the abbey I’m associated with and have helped them with a project they’re working on. These cloistered women are great. Their excellent abbess is a perfect example of the leadership roles women can have in the Church. Their humble submission to God is an example to all of us, men or women.
God made men and women distinct. Without wanting to sound crass, men cannot have babies and women cannot be priests. As a man and father, I have had to stand back in awe at my wife as she grew a life inside her, gave birth, and nurtured new life. Three times. As much as I wanted to be involved as a father, I could not ever be a “mother” to my sons; a women’s motherhood instincts gift her to do things beyond my reach. It was humbling indeed to watch this process, that did leave me a little bit jealous! But in the end we have to accept the nature God gave us.
On the other hand men have their own instincts. My wife gets annoyed at me when we travel by public transport. My wife likes to wander off and look at shops in airports or train stations, and I start to get nervous and start acting like a shepherd trying to round her up to the gate as the departure time gets closer. It’s in my nature and it drives my wife crazy but I can’t help myself. Similarly God wanted shepherds for His flock and for bringing His sacraments. If He had wanted this role assigned to women, there would have been women apostles.
Tongue-in-cheek sometimes I say to people who want women’s ordination but are thin on theology, that the person at the altar is acting in Persona Christi, and thus would you get someone like Elisabeth Taylor (RIP… I’m giving away my age) play Winston Churchill in a movie? Sorry if that sounds crass but it boils down to the ontology and our natures.
A woman got to carry God inside her. How awesome is that? NO man can boast that, and NO man other than her Son even comes close to her awesomeness; He of course surpasses it, but He is God. None of the rest of us mere mortals even come close.
I’ve grown somewhat close to a community of Benedictine women of the same congregation as the abbey I’m associated with and have helped them with a project they’re working on. These cloistered women are great. Their excellent abbess is a perfect example of the leadership roles women can have in the Church. Their humble submission to God is an example to all of us, men or women.
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ChurchSoldier
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Not offended. Saddened that people are teaching this and more so that so many believe it.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19761015_inter-insigniores_en.html
I would like mainly women to comment on the above, though male poster can give their opinion too
This is one woman’s response :
…These words contradicted everything I had ever been taught and believed about myself, about Jesus, about my Christian vocation.
I tend to have a similar thought.
When you read it, are you offended by it, does it bother you slightly?
Thanks.
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jmcrae
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No. Christ died on the Cross in His role as “the second Adam.” The original Adam was not just male - he was the prototype of all male human beings. His maleness isn’t just incidental - it’s the core of who he is as the male ancestor of the human race, and the first male human being ever to walk on the earth.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19761015_inter-insigniores_en.html
I would like mainly women to comment on the above, though male poster can give their opinion too
This is one woman’s response :
I tend to have a similar thought.
When you read it, are you offended by it, does it bother you slightly?
Thanks.
Therefore, in His Sacrifice, which unlashes the rope with which Adam bound the human race to sin, Jesus is not just incidentally male; He is proto-typically male.
The Christian priest images Christ, not merely in His humanity (all Christians do that), but specifically in His Sacrifice on the Cross. It is by means of the hands of the priest that the graces poured out from the heart of Christ in the blood and water that gushed forth upon the earth are made present to us by means of the Sacraments, most especially in the Eucharist.
Just as it was not the role of Eve to commit the sin that bound the whole human race to slavery and death (although the ignorant continue to blame her for that, her sin was not mortal), it is also not the role of her daughters to atone for Adam’s sin - neither on the Cross, nor at the Altar.
It is Mary who undid the sin of Eve, with her “Yes” to the Angel, which undid Eve’s “Yes” to the Devil. As Christian women, it is our role to continue that “Yes” to the Angel, to accept Jesus into our lives for total transformation, and to become that woman of God who brings Jesus with her where ever she goes.
But it is not her role to make the Sacrifice of the Altar; that belongs to the sons of Adam.
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Nicea325
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Not at all. God created the entire universe, everything visible and invisible. Whether I comprehend or not, believe or not, accept or not, God is God. He alone decided every living creature, whether visible or invisible has a role and function in this great-vast universe. God CALLS men to the priesthood. Ordination is not about “rights” or political correctness. It is called the Kingdom of Heaven, not the democracy of Heaven. Why do we as humans love to go against the grain?vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19761015_inter-insigniores_en.html
I would like mainly women to comment on the above, though male poster can give their opinion too
This is one woman’s response :
I tend to have a similar thought.
When you read it, are you offended by it, does it bother you slightly?
Thanks.
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amsjj
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It’s not a forbidden topic; it is settled.
Another vote for pianistclare’s post.
Another vote for pianistclare’s post.
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Nicea325
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Exactly! Power and control. I see to many people today always trying to be the head-honcho. Who cares! I have told my staff: There is no head and tails here.
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Tuxedo_Mark
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Female priests need to be ordained, like, yesterday. It is inherently discriminatory to say men can be priests, and women can’t.
And if the pope won’t do it, the local parishes need to take matters into their own hands.
And if the pope won’t do it, the local parishes need to take matters into their own hands.
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Marie5890
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Who ever said it was a forbidden topic?
It is settled and if people knew Catholic theology, they would know why.
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7_Sorrows
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