The Fruits of "Redemptionis Sacramentum"?

[DrCat]

jaz1976:

I think in America, at least, we will have to wait a short while longer before we start to see the Fruits. In speaking with the bishop here recently he said that the Council of Bishops was meeting this summer and Redemptionis Sacramentum will be brought up. All we can do is pray and be thankful that something has finally been said on this matter. Just a few months ago it looked like these abuses would never be addressed.

Glad I’m in Puerto Rico. Redemptionis Sacramentum came out on Thursday. Ten days later (Saturday of the following week), it was published in our diocesan newspaper (El Visitante)

 

[dutch]

It’s interesting how the only time Jesus used physical force was when people didn’t respect the temple as a house of God. I think if Jesus did it, we should too. Next time they have clowns or gymnastics in my church, I’m going to throw those people out of the church, including the priests and alter servers. That’s unless they’re bigger and stronger then me but I doubt it.

 

[CatholicGeek]

I was wrong.

I wrote to the parish priest to ask them about the event, and this is what he expressed.

They did celebrate Mass, but the benediction of the Gym organization’s new banner, including the gymnasitcs, in honor of their 75th year, came before Mass.

The gymnastics were performed as a way of expressing their veneration to God. One of the church fathers, Irenäus of Lyon wrote in the 2nd century “Gloria Dei vivens homo”, or “the glory of God is the living man”. This offering was seen as similar to ceremonies with the Holy Father with expression of dance and music.

I was impressed with the parish priest’s reply, which showed compassion and understanding. Given the nature of the celebration, perhaps it was a fitting offering.


Jesus became upset at those who were hypocritical, not at those whose hearts were striving to follow God. Jesus looks at the heart, not so much at the outward action. I think of the woman that donated the two small coins.

I do not ask you to tolerate liturgical abuse, only to act in LOVE in response towards it. AND to give others the benefit of the doubt. We do not read hearts. And Jesus said that unless you have LOVE, you are simply a clanging bell.

 

[dutch]

Jesus used physical force to make the point of not desecrating his father’s house or the temple. It’s that simple. I’d say having gymnastics in a catholic church would fit under desecrating a temple.

Being nice to everybody and hoping things will get better doesn’t work in the real world. You have to be vocal and take action if you want things to change. For instance, we kicked some terrorist but in Afghanistan, now we’re safer. That’s the way the world works. Now, im not saying we have to resort to physical violence to solve our problems but being nice to everyone and not judging them dosn’t work.

If you think it’s ok to have gymnastics in a church, what’s to stop someone to bring monkeys and clowns and bringing in a circus. Next, someone might think it’s ok to see people having sex in a church because it “brings Glory to God” -as ridiculous as that sounds, I’ve heard a someone describe contraceptives in marriage in that manner.

It’s time for us to take back our church from the liberal wimps and make them join the Episcopal Church where they belong.

 

[CatholicGeek]

dutch:

I’d say having gymnastics in a catholic church would fit under desecrating a temple.

I can understand how you can feel this way. I’m just not confident that Jesus would/does feel that way about this particular incident. I do not think we can say that his reaction would be similar to the reaction of the moneychangers in the temple.

dutch:

Being nice to everybody and hoping things will get better doesn’t work in the real world.

As christians, we are not called to act as the world does. Jesus calls us to act as he would, which often is counter-cultural, the opposite of how the world reacts at times.

dutch:

For instance, we kicked some terrorist but in Afghanistan, now we’re safer.

I sure hope so, but I’m not sure that the church agrees with this statement.

dutch:

…but being nice to everyone and not judging them dosn’t work.

I think that as christians we can make some judgement about actions, but we cannot judge people.

dutch:

If you think it’s ok to have gymnastics in a church, what’s to stop someone to bring monkeys and clowns and bringing in a circus.

I’m not saying I’m in favor of the gymnastics, I’m saying that I’m not convinced that it was wrong. They were sharing their gifts back to God. And it was not during the Mass, but prior to Mass, so according to the original topic of this thread, it is not a liturgical abuse as Redemptionis Sacramentum addresses.

dutch:

someone might think it’s ok to see people having sex in a church

There probably is someone out there who thinks this, but this is a far cry from what we are talking about here. I don’t think it is a very good comparison.

 

[Gail]

Tyler Smedley:

I would beg to differ tabithia, the church where I go were doing things wrong that we didn’t know were wrong such as having the precious blood in glass chalices, which is bad so I am told and now we have new correct containers on the way. I think that what Redemptionis Sacramentum not only provided a way for good churches to get better but also provided a list of things that those churches in question can do better. /QUOTE]

Tyler, since we live almost in the same area I beg to differ with you. Redemptionis Sacramentum is now forcing the priests and bishops not to do what is wrong. One year ago when the Encyclical “Ecclesia De Eucharistia” came out it specially mentioned in that document no glass along with numerous other things. Yet in our area glass containers and chalices are still being used. Now with Redemptionis Sacramentum it is like a stern hand slap, so to speak, to tell the priests to knock off this stuff.

Now I talked with our priest, and he isn’t going to make any changes until our bishop requires it. Even though Redemptionis Sacramentum states immediately to change. So far it is frustrating that these abuses even after the Encyclical and Redemptionis Sacramnetum has been stated.

I would highly recommend Father Shannon Collins CD on “Sacrament Most Holy,” It goes through the Encyclical Ecclesia De Eucharistia and it can be purchased at www.saintjoe.com.

God Bless
Gail

 

[yinekka]

Lets hope that the faithful in the parish have read Redemptionis Sacramentum and report the abuse to the bishop and failing any action, report it to Rome. :nope:

 

[Gail]

yinekka:

Lets hope that the faithful in the parish have read Redemptionis Sacramentum and report the abuse to the bishop and failing any action, report it to Rome.

Yinekka,

Here, here! I agree but how long do we have to wait for our Bishops to mention it to the priests? Our parish priest says he will not make any changes until our bishop tells him to. I am personally going to wait to see if anything comes out of the bishop’s conference and then see if our Bishop does anything. If not, I will write him a letter and wait for a reply. After that, I am on to Rome.

God Bless,
Gail

 

[Iohannes]

This is from Fr. Joseph O’praem. of St. Michael’s Abbey
on the situation of the Diocese of Orange in regards of RS.

holyjoe.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=475

Well at least in our Diocese, both traditionlist and mainstream conservatives are both equally despised.