The Galileo Case

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I’m not very familiar with the facts but from what I gather Galileo was excommunicated by the Pope for his proposed heliocentric system. After his death he was reinstated back by a later Pope. I’m happy to be corrected if the details are off…

How could someone be excommunicated then reinstated after his death? Where was his soul during that time?

God bless,
 
I don’t know much right off hand about Galileo, but your post appears to show a fundamental misunderstanding of Excommunication.

Excommunication means that a person is not in perfect union with God and therefore is not in a state of Grace to receive the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ in the Eucharist.

It is intended as a way to show a person that he needs to return to God, to pray, to read scripture and return to full communion with the Church. It is not punishment, it is discipline. When we ground our children, we generally ask them to think about their mistakes and be sorry. This is a simplistic explanation, but I am surprised at the number of people who do not really know what Excommunication truly is.

It DOES NOT mean that you are going to go to hell or that your soul is somehow abolished. When a person is alive, the soul is within the person, and after death, the soul is either in hell, in purgatory, or in heaven. Only God knows what happened to Galileo’s soul.

God Bless you.
 
I’m not very familiar with the facts but from what I gather Galileo was excommunicated by the Pope for his proposed heliocentric system. After his death he was reinstated back by a later Pope. I’m happy to be corrected if the details are off…

How could someone be excommunicated then reinstated after his death? Where was his soul during that time?

God bless,
No, it was not because he proposed a heliocentric system, it was because he started making faith claims based on his scientific proposal (kind of like you stick to the science leave us to make the faith claims).

The Catholic Church paid for his research, why would she excommunicate someone for finding out something that she paid him to find out? Kind of strange.

You’ll have to look up the actual faith claims, but he made some very heretical claims based on the fact we weren’t the center of the universe.
 
After 1610, when Galileo began publicly supporting the heliocentric view, which placed the sun at the centre of the universe, he met with bitter opposition from some philosophers and clerics, and two of the latter eventually denounced him to the Roman Inquisition early in 1615. In February 1616, although he had been cleared of any offence, the Catholic Church nevertheless condemned heliocentrism as “false and contrary to Scripture”, and Galileo was warned to abandon his support for it—which he promised to do. When he later defended his views in his most famous work, **Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World **Systems, published in 1632, he was tried by the Inquisition, found “vehemently suspect of heresy”, forced to recant, and spent some time under house arrest. He was not excommunicated.

The Inquisition’s ban on reprinting Galileo’s works was lifted in 1718 when permission was granted to publish an edition of his works (excluding the condemned Dialogue) in Florence. In 1741 Pope Benedict XIV authorized the publication of an edition of Galileo’s complete scientific works which included a mildly censored version of the Dialogue. In 1758 the general prohibition against works advocating heliocentrism was removed from the Index of prohibited books, although the specific ban on uncensored versions of the Dialogue and Copernicus’s De Revolutionibus remained. All traces of official opposition to heliocentrism by the church disappeared in 1835 when these works were finally dropped from the Index.

On 15 February 1990, in a speech delivered at the Sapienza University of Rome,Cardinal Ratzinger (later to become Pope Benedict XVI) cited some current views on the Galileo affair as forming what he called “a symptomatic case that permits us to see how deep the self-doubt of the modern age, of science and technology goes today”. Some of the views he cited were those of the philosopher Paul Feyerabend, whom he quoted as saying “The Church at the time of Galileo kept much more closely to reason than did Galileo himself, and she took into consideration the ethical and social consequences of Galileo’s teaching too. Her verdict against Galileo was rational and just and the revision of this verdict can be justified only on the grounds of what is politically opportune.”

On 31 October 1992, Pope John Paul II expressed regret for how the Galileo affair was handled, and issued a declaration acknowledging the errors committed by the Catholic Church tribunal that judged the scientific positions of Galileo Galilei, as the result of a study conducted by the Pontifical Council for Culture.IIn March 2008 the Vatican proposed to complete its rehabilitation of Galileo by erecting a statue of him inside the Vatican walls. In December of the same year, during events to mark the 400th anniversary of Galileo’s earliest telescopic observations, Pope Benedict XVI praised his contributions to astronomy.

The above is all from Wikipedia. Galileo actually had the support of the Pope, until he wrote The Dialogue,whicht made the Pope basically look like an idiot. He was not excommunicated nor punished, just spent a little time under house arrest, in a nice house actually, then returned to his villa.

By the way, Galileo means “from Galilee”!
 
it is mistakenly circulated that the Pope apologised because Galileo was right - it was in fact because of the way he was treated - see [www.galileowaswrong.com - twinc](www.galileowaswrong.com - twinc)

Which pope? Galileo was right. The earth does revolve around the sun. The problem was that the Church accepted Aristotle’s philosophy as the truth. Also, there was an argument that Joshua made the sun stand still in the Bible, so they thought it would be impossible for the sun not to revolve around the earth. However, Galileo observed things through his telescope, such as the moons of Jupiter, the mountains on the Moon, and the phases of Venus, so he was pretty sure it was a sun-centered universe, not and earth centered universe. Copernicus thought so too.
 
I’m not very familiar with the facts but from what I gather Galileo was excommunicated by the Pope for his proposed heliocentric system. After his death he was reinstated back by a later Pope. I’m happy to be corrected if the details are off…

How could someone be excommunicated then reinstated after his death? Where was his soul during that time?

God bless,
I’ve heard Protestant debaters state that Galileo was excommunicated, so that may be where the misinformation about his being excommunicated may come from. Galileo was a faithful Catholic all his life, and received visits from a priest even during his house arrest. His daughter was a nun.

There isn’t much I can add to what has already been posted, except maybe to note that Galileo had a rather acerbic personality; he didn’t tolerate fools gladly and prbably would have saved himself a lot of grief if he had had better people skills. It turns out that he and the pope, Urban XIII, had been buddies from way back, and liked to discuss natural philosophy together. So when Galileo in the Dialogues put the words of the pope in the mouth of Simplicio, the pope was furious, and felt betrayed. Ironically enough, in this matter (the tides), the pope was right and Galileo wrong!

Incidentally, the idea of a heliocentric system belonged to Copernicus, a Catholic cleric.
 
Which pope? Galileo was right. The earth does revolve around the sun.
That cannot legitimately be said. What can be said is that in a particular reference frame, the earth’s motion is relative to the sun.

But Einsteins’ Special Relativity showed that there is really no such thing as an absolute reference frame, so it can just as legitimately be said that the sun revolves around the earth (if one uses the earth as their reference frame, as Aristotle did)

In addition, Galileo’s science was to off base to be taken as anything more than a hypothisis ( which is exactly what Cardinal Bellarmine suggested to Galileo).

Galileo predictions of planetary motion was less accurate than the Aristotelian model. And since a theory can only really be measures by it’s relation to observable events, any reasonable scientist would have had to reject it until it’s errors were corrected.

Galileo’s error came about due to his assumption that planetary motion was circular, when it is actually ellipitcal. It fell to Kepller to make the corrections. ( and FYI, it was Catholics who gave Keppler a position in Praque to conduct his research after fellow Protestants rejected his works.)
 
Excommunication means that a person is not in perfect union with God and therefore is not in a state of Grace to receive the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ in the Eucharist.
If a person is not in the state of grace how could he go to Heaven?

God bless,
 
That cannot legitimately be said. What can be said is that in a particular reference frame, the earth’s motion is relative to the sun.

But Einsteins’ Special Relativity showed that there is really no such thing as an absolute reference frame, so it can just as legitimately be said that the sun revolves around the earth (if one uses the earth as their reference frame, as Aristotle did)

In addition, Galileo’s science was to off base to be taken as anything more than a hypothisis ( which is exactly what Cardinal Bellarmine suggested to Galileo).

Galileo predictions of planetary motion was less accurate than the Aristotelian model. And since a theory can only really be measures by it’s relation to observable events, any reasonable scientist would have had to reject it until it’s errors were corrected.

Galileo’s error came about due to his assumption that planetary motion was circular, when it is actually ellipitcal. It fell to Kepller to make the corrections. ( and FYI, it was Catholics who gave Keppler a position in Praque to conduct his research after fellow Protestants rejected his works.)
o please, you can’t be serious.
 
That cannot legitimately be said. What can be said is that in a particular reference frame, the earth’s motion is relative to the sun.

But Einsteins’ Special Relativity showed that there is really no such thing as an absolute reference frame, so it can just as legitimately be said that the sun revolves around the earth (if one uses the earth as their reference frame, as Aristotle did)

In addition, Galileo’s science was to off base to be taken as anything more than a hypothisis ( which is exactly what Cardinal Bellarmine suggested to Galileo).

Galileo predictions of planetary motion was less accurate than the Aristotelian model. And since a theory can only really be measures by it’s relation to observable events, any reasonable scientist would have had to reject it until it’s errors were corrected.

Galileo’s error came about due to his assumption that planetary motion was circular, when it is actually ellipitcal. It fell to Kepller to make the corrections. ( and FYI, it was Catholics who gave Keppler a position in Praque to conduct his research after fellow Protestants rejected his works.)
Oh please, you can’t be serious. You think the sun revolves around the earth???
 
He was not excommuicated.
Thanks for answering; my question was in general.

When a person is excommunicated then he is no longer eligible to receive the holy Eucharist. Does that mean he is no longer in the state of grace? If he remains excommunicated until death would he surely go to hell?

God bless,
 
That cannot legitimately be said. What can be said is that in a particular reference frame, the earth’s motion is relative to the sun.

But Einsteins’ Special Relativity showed that there is really no such thing as an absolute reference frame, so it can just as legitimately be said that the sun revolves around the earth (if one uses the earth as their reference frame, as Aristotle did)

In addition, Galileo’s science was to off base to be taken as anything more than a hypothisis ( which is exactly what Cardinal Bellarmine suggested to Galileo).

Galileo predictions of planetary motion was less accurate than the Aristotelian model. And since a theory can only really be measures by it’s relation to observable events, any reasonable scientist would have had to reject it until it’s errors were corrected.

Galileo’s error came about due to his assumption that planetary motion was circular, when it is actually ellipitcal. It fell to Kepller to make the corrections. ( and FYI, it was Catholics who gave Keppler a position in Praque to conduct his research after fellow Protestants rejected his works.)
Can you explain how the earth could have a large enough gravitational pull such that it could cause the sun to orbit the earth? :doh2:
 
How is the Catholic school system doing these days? Reading this thread certainly does open up the door to question it’s health.
 
Thanks for answering; my question was in general.

When a person is excommunicated then he is no longer eligible to receive the holy Eucharist. Does that mean he is no longer in the state of grace? If he remains excommunicated until death would he surely go to hell?

God bless,
He’s dead- can no longer receive the holy Eucharist.

I love threads like this!
 
Oh please, you can’t be serious. You think the sun revolves around the earth???
You didn’t understand what he wrote. There is no absolute frame of reference.

The earth doesn’t move in a circle, in actuality it probably moves in wave like pattern more than anything else.
 
How is the Catholic school system doing these days? Reading this thread certainly does open up the door to question it’s health.
So because one Catholic believes this the entire Catholic School system is ‘unhealthy’?
He’s dead- can no longer receive the holy Eucharist.
I love threads like this!
There’s no need to be a snark…the bottom line that was being said is if Galieo is in Hell for not having a state of grace, not if could recieve the Eucharist centuries after he’s dead…
 
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