The "Gay Gene": Does it Matter?

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So you are stating that if a student reads certain materials and comes away with an idea contrary to the Cathlic faith the professor will not grade him or even correct his error?
You asked if a professor grades “truth” – I don’t know of any who do in any simple way like responding to the Baltimore catechism. On the undergraduate and graduate levels I don’t give “true or false” or multiple choice exams. Rather, I give exams that evaluate a student’s understanding of the issues involved in a particular question, her ability to think critically and analytically, and his skill in synthesizing material.
 
Just to clarify, it is misleading to point out he was a priest when he was chastized by the church. He became a priest after he published his works on heliocentrism.:
Copernicus was not a priest. He died a layman.
 
Some authors would have you believe this to be true. He died a peaceful death, true, but fought hard against the clergy for his heliocentric writings.:
No – it was not until about 80 years later that heliocentrism became a substantial issue for certain churchmen, and then for a variety of complex reasons, including Galileo’s abrasive and arrogant personality, and the professional jealousies of astronomers and theologians. Theologians didn’t want Galileo (a mere astronomer) impinging upon what they considered to be their own private preserve – biblical interpretation.
 
Quite incorrect, my friend, or should I say misled. Rather than debate Astrophysics history with you and get into more philosophical discussions, I choose to lay down my king. Have at thee… I do have quite a background in the sciences and education. I am even published in the American Journal of Physics. My research included some of the writings of Copernicus and Galileo. I have done the research and know considerably more than you believe. However, it is best that I just let the argument lie dead. For this thread to me was enjoyable debate until now. I truly pray that your argumentative nature does not transcend into the classroom. For someone who scrutinizes everything written, you have confined yourself to an unreliable source for knowledge. Humility and meekness preceed true wisdom. Good luck in your studies.
Take care, pray hard.
Joe 👍
 
Quite incorrect, my friend, or should I say misled. Rather than debate Astrophysics history with you and get into more philosophical discussions, I choose to lay down my king.
It’s not really laying down your king to proclaim me incorrect and yet refuse to justify this claim. You have not yet offered any evidence to indicate (1) that Copernicus was a priest, which in fact he was not; (2) that the Church had substantial problems with heliocentrism before Galileo wrote his Sidereus Nuncius (March, 1610) and his Letter to Grandduchess Christina (Summer, 1615), or (3) that theologians were jealous of Galileo (a mere astronomer) impinging upon their private preserve of biblical interpretation, which they were.

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Petrus
 
Copernicus? Galileo?

I thought the “Gay Gene” in the title was referring to that Episcopal bishop.

Anyway, I thought the topic was about whether the appearance of a genetic predisposition to same sex attraction absolves the participant of a gay union of sin.
 
Copernicus? Galileo?

I thought the “Gay Gene” in the title was referring to that Episcopal bishop.
:rotfl:
Anyway, I thought the topic was about whether the appearance of a genetic predisposition to same sex attraction absolves the participant of a gay union of sin.
Things have strayed slightly off topic. 😉 I don’t mind too much. It seems most of the bases pertinent to the topic were covered pretty thoroughly in the first 10 or 20 posts. The rest is a bonus! 😃
 
Copernicus? Galileo?

I thought the “Gay Gene” in the title was referring to that Episcopal bishop.

Anyway, I thought the topic was about whether the appearance of a genetic predisposition to same sex attraction absolves the participant of a gay union of sin.
You are quite right my friend. The thread did stray. And you have my apology for my part. I strayed from the beaten path trying to explain that the Church’s position on homosexuality has not ever changed. The person is to be respected as such and treated with love. However, the homosexual act is not nor ever will be approved by any Church doctrine or decree. This thread was interesting to say the least. Thank you.
Take care, pray hard.
Joe 👍
 
If there is a god. And he created us in his image. and there is a gay gene. Is god also attracted to the same sex?

What about god’s level of responsibility for the action of “creating” someone with a gay gene?

Then our time on earth is not a fair way for anyone to judge anyone else. There are far to many variable, I don’t have a sexual attraction to other men so I’m free of that. However I do have a great love for knowledge, logic and reason which in a sense is my own curse to bear…

I think in the end if you don’t hurt anyone with your actions of being gay, or not believing in god. Just do it and deal with the possiblitly of the consquences of hell if christianity is correct.
 
You are quite right my friend. The thread did stray. And you have my apology for my part. I strayed from the beaten path trying to explain that the Church’s position on homosexuality has not ever changed. The person is to be respected as such and treated with love. However, the homosexual act is not nor ever will be approved by any Church doctrine or decree. This thread was interesting to say the least. Thank you.
Take care, pray hard.
Joe 👍
The big unfortunate thing is, that in hating the sin, many hate the sinner…
 
can i ask should we stone to death homosexuals and adulterers as stipulated in the bible? Lest us forget the stoning of disobedient children…

I hear many a time oh but that is in the old testament… So is the majority of the few anti homosexual verses that are out there…

I love the fact that its easy to embrace some verses but not all… I love hypocrasy its so funny…
 
can i ask should we stone to death homosexuals and adulterers as stipulated in the bible? Lest us forget the stoning of disobedient children…

I hear many a time oh but that is in the old testament… So is the majority of the few anti homosexual verses that are out there…

I love the fact that its easy to embrace some verses but not all… I love hypocrasy its so funny…
Not all laws in the Bible are the same type, particularly as pertains to the Old Testament laws. Laws requiring stoning homosexuals and adulterers are punitive laws. Proscriptions against homosexual acts and adutlery are moral laws. Punitive laws can change. Moral laws cannot. Just because we don’t follow the same punishments as in the Old Testament doesn’t change the morality of the acts.

There are plenty of verses in the New Testament that also support Church teaching on homosexual activity, even if one ignored the Old Testament.

It’s not hypocrisy. We embrace the whole of Scripture. One has to look at each passage in the proper context, though. Many people have trouble with that.
 
Perhaps. I’ve never attended a meeting (not being homosexual) so I don’t know what they discuss. But they find the group supportive in the homophobic cultures in which they live.
The really tired and inaccurate charge of “homophobia” is just getting old. I live in one of the most gay-affirmng corners of the world with multiple “gayborhoods” gay bars, night clubs and two bathhouses (I am not sure how it can be legal to have a mens only gym where orgies occur, protest to the city didn’t keep the second one from opening…)

With likely a much higher and more visible presense in the population, most straight folks accept and are either supportive or indifferent to it. That has not stopped the rampant spread of new HIV cases (approx 2200 per year) as well as the outrageous meth addiction rates reported in the gay community…

The “homophobic culture” that has idealized gay style sensibilities (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy), made Will & Grace a hit, and was the backdrop of one of the most critically celebrated films a couples years back (Brokeback Mountain) just does not seem as menancing as it used to. Are there any critically acclaimed TV dramas, comedies or even reality shows that don’t have a gay character?

Everywhere you look you see signs of inroads on domestic partnership, mainline protestant denominations caving (er, adopting!) and media presentations in a positive light.

The American outlook on sexuality (getting off how and when and where you can) and marriage (until boredom, difficulty, or disinterest do us part) for the most part means your average American who is all for pre-marital, sterile sex and marriage that is temporary is in no real position to worry about how the next guy is “getting his”. Said one straight co-worker who likes to womanize and cheat on his girlfriend about a gay co-worker who bodybuilds: “I am glad he is going after dudes, I don’t want to compete with him for chics!”

I grant there are always going to be people who don’t accept it. That mostly speaks to their inability to ignore aversions which seem more inborn than anything. The very mechanics of the common for of sex for men who have sex with men (anal sex) is distasteful for most people who have not aquired a taste for it. And it is only natural we would have an aversion for biological reasons. Given the function of the anus, that practice even after hygenic precautions is latently risky. Before HIV, there were still great health risks and STD issues in the community of men who have sex with men. This was a known quantity and people were not suprised that such unnatural acts created such unnatural problems.

Now that everyone is getting in the “unnatural act” business, this is bound to be less concerning to many… But vestigal remnants of the revulsion of this act that helps inform people’s innate bilogical imperatives (stay healthy & propogate the species) will always be around. Really, getting rid of that instinct is impossible… But so long as it manifests itself in any fashion, it will always make good fuel for the “anti-homophobia” propaganda machine that plays on people’s fear that someone else would think them cruel, mean or insenstitive.

The use of the “newspeak” term “homophobia” with all that it implies has made it as meaningless as it is useless.
 
Thank you to all who have participated. This thread is now closed.
 
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