The Generational Divide

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I am a millennial. I won’t speak for anyone else but personally I love how our Church is… well, Catholic. Universal. I find the diversity of our Church beautiful because God reaches people in so many different ways, across different cultures and time periods, but we still profess one Faith and the same truths. It is not really qbout contemporary vs. traditional for me.
The Latin Mass is beautiful and reminds me of those Catholics who came before us and handed doen the faith. But I also love being able to go to Mass in my native language and understanding all the prayerd and hymns. And while contemporary music with the guitars and drums is not my first preference, I get moved when I see others moved by it. I would love to attend liturgies of other rites too but so far have never really had the opportunity. At the end of the day as another poster said, Mass is Mass.
 
Wide ties are no good. I have a LOT of neckties and ideally the best size is less than 3 inches wide, approx 2 and 3/4 to 2 7/8 inches being ideal. A 3 and 1/2 inch (standard for many) feels on me like something i found in a thrift store from 1978. And ties should be conservative patterns or stripes. Brooks Brothers/Ivy League style. No novelty ties. You need to check the Code of Canon Law on permissible neckwear. 🙂
 
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Of course I am joking! I do have strong personal opinions about proper neckties and dress shirts but it has nothing to do at all with the Faith.
 
I think “traditional” Catholicism is popular with millenials because of Harry Potter, Dan Brown, Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, Hipster-ism, etc etc.

Also, if you’re a Millennial, you’re not really compelled to attend mass as much as previous generations, therefore it stands to to reason you would be more interested in the idiosyncrasies as you are probably attending for idiosyncratic reasons.
 
ChunkMonk said:
Oh really so all those different Rites went through generational upheaval on the level of Vatican 2?

Somehow I doubt that.
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You weren’t there and neither was I. However what Trent achieved was uniformity. That did result in significant cultural and musical loss. Pick up the Graduale Romanum and you’ll see a title in the Kyriale for each Mass setting. They are the titles of the troped Kyries that Trent abolished.

Here is an example, Orbis Factor


Vatican II allows troped Kyries again, and our abbey has a nice French setting that it occasionally uses. However the great tropes pre-Trent have been lost.

While I was not there, human nature being what it is, I think it is safe to say that losing your culture’s Mass settings and music must have been pretty destabilizing for a largely illiterate population.
 
It was the generation before the “greatest generation” who were the authors of liturgical reform. Paul VI was an age peer of my grandparents
 
I don’t know where you are getting this assumption because it seems that a lot of young Catholics are barely religious. If you’re referring to practicing Catholics, then maybe so.

Like what some of us have said, it’s the ‘counter-cultural’ aspect that makes it attractive to young people. If TLM and traditional Catholicism is so prevalent, I doubt you would see the same amount of interest tbh. And also, in such a politically divisive culture, it makes sense for young Catholics who are just getting into it to want to retreat to traditional Catholicism. Whether it would stick, I don’t know.

Then again, it’s hard to tell if a lot of millennials are actually interested in it because the people who are into it tend to be more outspoken about it. After all, people with strong opinions tend to talk about a subject more. A lot of Catholics who are okay with NO would not really talk about it because they’re satisfied
 
Lea101 said:
I don’t know where you are getting this assumption because it seems that a lot of young Catholics are barely religious. If you’re referring to practicing Catholics, then maybe so.

Like what some of us have said, it’s the ‘counter-cultural’ aspect that makes it attractive to young people. If TLM and traditional Catholicism is so prevalent, I doubt you would see the same amount of interest tbh. And also, in such a politically divisive culture, it makes sense for young Catholics who are just getting into it to want to retreat to traditional Catholicism. Whether it would stick, I don’t know.

Then again, it’s hard to tell if a lot of millennials are actually interested in it because the people who are into it tend to be more outspoken about it. After all, people with strong opinions tend to talk about a subject more. A lot of Catholics who are okay with NO would not really talk about it because they’re satisfied
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So basically the TLM’er is the vegan in this clip.

 
I’m more or less the same boat as you. I’m 35 and used to attend the EF frequently. My schedule changed this year (I’m in law enforcement) and now I work Sunday mornings. I take half a vacation day about once a month or so in order to attend the EF, and attend a Saturday evening or late Sunday OF the rest of the time. My mother, also in her late sixties, spent the majority of her life attending the NO but loves to come to the EF with me. I try to arrange my time off around her visits so we can go together.
 
I get the impression that millenial Catholics tend to occupy the extremes of the spectrum, not practicing or devoutly practicing. I’ve not come across such masses or practices as veiling myself but I guess if I lived in a city with a hip young congregation like that it would appeal.
 
YoungApologist3 said:
Is this a joke? Canon Law doesn’t mention neckties at all, unless you are jokingly referring to the Roman Collar?
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Just a little bit of sarcasm, YA. The thought that people that enjoy throwbacks to the 1950’s as far as liturgy, might also advocate for throwbacks in men’s fashions.
 
Not only do some find it hard to believe, but as you can see from this thread and many others, some actually get angry at the concept. My aunt, a nun, once became infuriated with me after I pointed out, in response to a comment from her that the TLM is just for a handful of nostalgic individuals, that my TLM congregation is populated mostly by thirty-somethings with young children, and that my diocese keeps adding Latin Masses.
 
I don’t think anyone is really competent to really determine the motivations for most people.

I’m sure that this is true for SOME of the participants, but for others 'm sure it isn’t.
 
I didn’t say you said “all”, just that you aren’t in position to determine what the motivations are of “most”.

Your personal experiences and the people you know may or may not be representative of the group as a whole.
 
LOL “we’re so special that you can’t compare us to anyone, ever”

I’m your age give or take a few years, as is my husband and a number of my friends. None of them like the TLM one bit, yet we are very passionate Catholics who attend Mass, follow the tenents of the Church and participate in our community. We just like Mass in the venacular better than in a foreign tounge.
 
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