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What is prophecy, and what expericences have you had with it?
Do you believe you can be speaking prophecy and not realize it?
Do you believe you can be speaking prophecy and not realize it?
In the sense that St. Paul writes, it is a wonderful gift from the Holy Spirit that he tells us to strive for above all the others.
1 Cor. 14:1, “Pursue love, but strive eagerly for the spiritual gifts, above all that you may prophesy.”
Some think wrongly that it means to foretell the future, but no. Under the anointing of the Lord and His inspiration, we deliver a message for the benefit of another, as encouragement, exhortation, inspired teaching, etc.
I have been aware most of the time that I was delivering a holy message not my own, by the unction I noted in my spirit. We ourselves are uplifted by the word before we deliver it. But I suppose there may be times we can do this unaware. The Lord reaffirms our words in the heart of the listener, and therefore all of the working is entirely His. He both sows, and reaps.![]()
One needs to be careful when stating what the Church disallows.Prophecy is one of the charisms (gifts) of the Holy Spirit; however, it’s not one that’s encouraged by the Church.
From 1 Cor. 14:3 with its footnote:2004 Among the special graces ought to be mentioned the graces of state that accompany the exercise of the responsibilities of the Christian life and of the ministries within the Church:
Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; if service, in our serving; he who teaches, in his teaching; he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who contributes, in liberality; he who gives aid, with zeal; he who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.
I thank you for the references; however, I said “not encouraged”, not “disallowed.” The priests and religious I know who have had experience with parishioners claiming “prophecy” have all associated it with Protestant revivalists. These priests and religious have emphasized the need to make sure that the prophecy is in line with Catholic teaching, and that the prophecy is for the glory of G_D, not the glory of the person giving the prophecy.One needs to be careful when stating what the Church disallows.![]()
According to Scripture that is what Church teachings based on, I believe prophecy is encouraged. What is not encouraged is the improper use of it.Seek eagerly after love. Set your hearts on spiritual gifts – **above all, the gift of prophecy.**A man who speaks in a tongue is talking not to men but to God. No one understands him, because he utters mysteries in the Spirit. The prophet, on the other hand, speaks to men for their up-building, their encouragement, their consolation. He who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but he who prophesies builds up the church. I should like it if all of you spoke in tongues, but I much prefer that you prophesy. The prophet is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless the speaker can also interpret for the up-building of the church. ( 1 Corinthians 14:1-5)
Thanks InLight, I see that we are in agreement.According to Scripture that is what Church teachings based on, I believe prophecy is encouraged. What is not encouraged is the improper use of it.
The Lord reaffirms our words in the heart of the listener, and therefore all of the working is entirely His.
Yes, that is why the spirit of discernment is important especially when prophecy gets into the nature of foretelling or prediction. Since the purpose of prophecy is to build up not to tear down, one principal of discernment is to check in this nature. Even it is a prophecy of warning like Jonah to Ninevah, God’s purpose is to provide a chance of repentance, not to scare or to condemn.We need to rely on the Holy Spirit to discern whether the words spoken in prophecy are meant for us either personally or collectively. Without His interior ministry to us, affirming that the words are true, we can just chalk it up to nonsense.
I agree that this is almost always the best way. Else it tends to look like self-righteous bossiness. Probably 99% of the time or more, this is the best way. Jesus seems to have often dodged citing his authority, and he silenced the demons that declared his identity.Good points, Lief . . .
And I would note that whenever one is ‘speaking the word of the Lord in truth,’ he does not preface it with “Thus sayeth the Lord!”The message is simply uttered, no fanfare, with dependence upon God for any results.
True.As ncjohn mentioned a few posts ago, those with hardened hearts are free to resist the message and stone the prophet!![]()
I haven’t thought about it much.But I have long believed that an angry man is closer to the truth than one who is lukewarm. At least the anger demonstrates that he heard the word!
Yes, and it occasionally can involve prediction of future events. You left that out.So, what I understand so far, based on what I’m reading: prophecy involves speaking a word of truth on behalf of God to a person or persons for the purpose of their
1)returing to God if they’ve strayed
2) encouragement in times of trial
3) a spurring on of a certain action when it will result in fulfilling
the will of God.
It always involves inspiration by the Holy Spirit.