The Glorious Miracle of Prophet Muhammed: Mi'raj

[TruthBearer]

Joseph Smith modeled himself somewhat after Muhammad.

He claimed he is the new Mohammad of his time.

How do you think he allowed multiple wives to a single man? Just like Mohammad!!

Joseph Smith probably modeled himself after King Solomon, First Kings 11:1-3 indicates that King Solomon had 700 hundred wives and 300 hundred concubines.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

Good luck on a Catholic Forum in trying to persuade people that Muhammad is a greater prophet than Jesus!

According to Judaism, Moses is regarded as the greatest of all prophets because of at least four reasons, which are discussed by Maimonides:

1. Moses was not asleep when he communicated with G-d, but, on the contrary, fully conscious.
2. Moses received a “literal vision” from G-d, not a vision in the form of parables.
3. Moses spoke with G-d in a casual manner without fear and trepidation.
4. Moses spoke with G-d on a continual basis, not at certain specified times.

Catholics also believe that Moses is the greatest prophet ever. There was never another prophet like him and there never will be.

Obviously we don’t believe Jesus is a prophet.

 

[Reuben_J]

Joseph Smith probably modeled himself after King Solomon, First Kings 11:1-3 indicates that King Solomon had 700 hundred wives and 300 hundred concubines.

I thought Mormons do have certain religious doctrine on polygamy as do Muslims. Not sure about old Hebrews though. Solomon did it more out of palace privilege and sometimes for political reasons. Later in his life the reason his ‘heart was swayed’ from God was due to the influence his foreign wives had on him. Muhammad, on the other hand, was commanded to marry more than four wives, the maximum number permitted for the rest of Muslims by Allah.

 

[hasantas]

hasantas,

I am always curious when non-Christians visit catholic answers to find their answers to these questions.

what did mohammed teach that added to the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

or, in another form, what was missing from the teachings of Jesus Christ that were completed by the teachings of mohammed?

I know Jesus through His life, death and Resurrection provided human beings with a pathway to perfect union with our Creator. what more does mohammed say human beings need, besides a pathway to perfect union with their Creator?

There have been many prophets. Some prophets did not have a scripture but they followed the previous scriptures. But all prophets conveyed same main topics:Believing in God, in prophet, in angels, in life to come, in destiny and make good deeds and avoid from evils.

Prophet Muhammed came with a new scripture and fulfiled a work just what a previous prophets did. So even if prophet Muhammed had not came with a new scripture and religion so there is no any objection for Him to be prophet.

Religion also contains style and way of worshiping for God. And worshiping for God are different in religions in some details. Islam came with different worships and prays. Salat, Sawm(fast), offering in name of God, pray, Hadj(pilgrimage) etc. All these kinds of worships provide a perfect union with our Creator. The faith is importand and the most importand fact in universe is the faith. So to believe in Jesus is importand and that may provide a salvation. But Islam also make faith more strong and soulful with worships.

And there is another thing that makes Christians angry: Trinity! God correct that doctrine in Qur’an.

 

[TruthBearer]

I thought Mormons do have certain religious doctrine on polygamy as do Muslims. Not sure about old Hebrews though. Solomon did it more out of palace privilege and sometimes for political reasons. Later in his life the reason his ‘heart was swayed’ from God was due to the influence his foreign wives had on him. Muhammad, on the other hand, was commanded to marry more than four wives, the maximum number permitted for the rest of Muslims by Allah.

My whole point, is that it seem highly unlikely that Mormons based their religious doctrine on what Muslims do, when they follow the bible. It seems more likely it is based on something they read in the bible. I am not saying their interpretations are correct, just saying, their religious doctrine is probably based on something in the bible. Or maybe it is based on Mormon scriptures like the Book of Mormons or the Doctrine and Covenant.

 

[hasantas]

I think it is fair to say that Islam takes from all the religions before it.

Christianity takes from all the religions before it

Judaism takes from all the religions before it

If you want me to provide comparable quotes from all the various Holy Books, I would be delighted to offer the insight

Truth is truth. If Moses offers a Truth, it is only reasonable that Jesus, Muhammad and Baha’u’llah would re-iterate it.

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There should be many people who have divine inspiration but that do not make a man prophet. Mny people took and take divine inspiration(Ilham) but that is different from revelation(Vahiyy). Prophets also performed some miracles. So Baha’ullah may be moraly high but that do not make him a prophet.

 

[hasantas]

Have you every prayed to God and asked him to teach you the truth about his nature, even if it is not Islam?

God is unique but God have different manifestations. So Islam do not recognise that different manifestations as another God as Christians do: Son and Holy Spirit!

 

[hasantas]

Joseph Smith modeled himself somewhat after Muhammad.

He claimed he is the new Mohammad of his time.

How do you think he allowed multiple wives to a single man? Just like Mohammad!!

I do not know about Joseph Smith but prophet Muhammed did not allow man to marry multiple wives. Qur’an reduced numbers of wives and restricted to four. In Arabic custom a man could marry how many women he wished and Qur’an restricted that and advised that it would be better to marry one.

1. If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
2. Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practice self- restraint, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. An Nisa(4):3,129

Islam allow a man to maryy multiple women in some circumstances. That is not issue of this thread. And if Joseph Smith regard Qur’an He could take from Qur’an but I do not know.

 

[Servant19]

There should be many people who have divine inspiration but that do not make a man prophet. Mny people took and take divine inspiration(Ilham) but that is different from revelation(Vahiyy). Prophets also performed some miracles. So Baha’ullah may be moraly high but that do not make him a prophet.

On what basis do you see Muhammad and Baha’u’llah as different?

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[TruthBearer]

On what basis do you see Muhammad and Baha’u’llah as different?

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Muslims do not believe any Prophet will come after Muhammad, except Jesus, but he was already a Prophet before Muhammad.

So there is no contradictions in the Quran, when it says, “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and** the Last of the Prophets:** and Allah has full knowledge of all things.”
(Quran 33:40)

This is why Sunni Islam rejects Bahai ullah, Ahmad Ghulum, Elijah Muhammad, Rashid Khalifa and others who have claimed to be a Prophet or a Messenger after Muhammad.

 

[TruthBearer]

I don’t think english is his native tongue.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

I don’t think english is his native tongue.

I caught that, too. Even not expressed well, the meaning is the same.

 

[Servant19]

There should be many people who have divine inspiration but that do not make a man prophet. Mny people took and take divine inspiration(Ilham) but that is different from revelation(Vahiyy). Prophets also performed some miracles. So Baha’ullah may be moraly high but that do not make him a prophet.

Sorry dear friend,

This post did not answer the question at all…

What makes Muhammad a Prophet, and Baha’u’llah not one?

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[Servant19]

Muslims do not believe any Prophet will come after Muhammad, except Jesus, but he was already a Prophet before Muhammad.

So there is no contradictions in the Quran, when it says, “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and** the Last of the Prophets:** and Allah has full knowledge of all things.”
(Quran 33:40)

This is why Sunni Islam rejects Bahai ullah, Ahmad Ghulum, Elijah Muhammad, Rashid Khalifa and others who have claimed to be a Prophet or a Messenger after Muhammad.

Yes, dear friend, I understand the theology which really is totally incorrectly interpreted given that Baha’u’llah is not a Prophet.

The question is related to the reasons why you consider Muhammad a Prophet, and applying the same standards to Baha’u’llah and providing a comparison on the objective analysis …

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[hasantas]

Sorry dear friend,

This post did not answer the question at all…

What makes Muhammad a Prophet, and Baha’u’llah not one?

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Did Mirza Husayin Ali perform any miracle?

There are some verses in Both Torah and Bible which declare that another prophet will come. But in Qur’an it is mentioned that Prophet Muhammed is the last.

Baha’i emerged from thoughts of Shi’i and thought of Mahdi. But it is reported that Mahdi will emerge from Muslims. So even if Bab is Mahdi yet Baha’i is not to be a distinct religion. Baha’i could be a sect of Islam as initially but later it changed in very different ways.

Mirza Husayin Ali(Baha’ullah) was disciple of Sayyid Ali Muhammed(Bab) and Bab informed that a prophet will come. So Baha’ullah progressed Bab’s work and established a new religion. But the sources of that religion do not seem as like Vahiyy. Baha’ullah had intend to fit religions together and that shows that these inspiration is not revelation but it is just good will. And baha’i writtings do not seem like revelation from God. Those thought could be the conlusion of divine inspiraton(Ilham) or synthesis of previous scriptures. But that do not make writtings to be scripture from God.

Do Baha’is believe in Paradise and Hell and the life to come?

 

[openmind77]

Did Mirza Husayin Ali perform any miracle?

There are some verses in Both Torah and Bible which declare that another prophet will come. But in Qur’an it is mentioned that Prophet Muhammed is the last.

Baha’i emerged from thoughts of Shi’i and thought of Mahdi. But it is reported that Mahdi will emerge from Muslims. So even if Bab is Mahdi yet Baha’i is not to be a distinct religion. Baha’i could be a sect of Islam as initially but later it changed in very different ways.

Mirza Husayin Ali(Baha’ullah) was disciple of Sayyid Ali Muhammed(Bab) and Bab informed that a prophet will come. So Baha’ullah progressed Bab’s work and established a new religion. But the sources of that religion do not seem as like Vahiyy. Baha’ullah had intend to fit religions together and that shows that these inspiration is not revelation but it is just good will. And baha’i writtings do not seem like revelation from God. Those thought could be the conlusion of divine inspiraton(Ilham) or synthesis of previous scriptures. But that do not make writtings to be scripture from God.

Do Baha’is believe in Paradise and Hell and the life to come?

I am not sure why you say the holy Koran sounds more like God’s revelation than Bahaullah’s writings. I don’t see that much difference, in many ways Bahaullah’s writings are more advanced. So to me, Muhammad and Bahaullah seem to be of similar spiritual stature, but neither of them is a Son of God like Jesus.

BTW, the miracle of Muhammad visiting other realms may be to true, however from Muhammad’s description of heaven (rivers of wine, lots of sex/houris etc), I don’t think he was in heaven at all. His description of heaven sounds a lot like a description of the astral plane. If you read Robert Monroe’s books on his astral travels, you will notice that the astral world is very similar to what Muhammad describes as heaven.

 

[arthra]

Muslims do not believe any Prophet will come after Muhammad, except Jesus, but he was already a Prophet before Muhammad.

So there is no contradictions in the Quran, when it says, “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and** the Last of the Prophets:** and Allah has full knowledge of all things.”
(Quran 33:40)

This is why Sunni Islam rejects Bahai ullah, Ahmad Ghulum, Elijah Muhammad, Rashid Khalifa and others who have claimed to be a Prophet or a Messenger after Muhammad.

While some might interpret the verse to suggest “last of the prophets”, the actual words of the verse has “Seal” of the Prophets…,.

“wa Khatama”

A seal can be understood as a sign of authenticity… as a document can have a seal of an authority…

Prophet Muhammad can be seen as an authentic “seal” of the Prophets.

Seal can be understood as a noun…or a verb.

 

[TruthBearer]

While some might interpret the verse to suggest “last of the prophets”, the actual words of the verse has “Seal” of the Prophets…,.

“wa Khatama”

A seal can be understood as a sign of authenticity… as a document can have a seal of an authority…

Prophet Muhammad can be seen as an authentic “seal” of the Prophets.

Seal can be understood as a noun…or a verb.

The Quran has been preserved in ten recitations, the most famous being the Hafs. In Sunni Islam it is necessary to know all ten recitations in order to understand the Quran properly. What might be ambiguous in one recitation will be clear in another recitation.

So it is read in **Hafs **as Khatam, which means seal, and it is read in Warsh as Khatim, which means Last or end or conclusion.

Warsh is the main recitation read in Northern Africa, from Morocco to Egypt, mainly read by those who follow the Maliki school of Islamic Law.

Because of this, Sunni scholars have agreed by universal consensus that Prophet Muhammad is the Last of the Prophets and Messengers.

 

[TruthBearer]

Yes, dear friend, I understand the theology which really is totally incorrectly interpreted given that Baha’u’llah is not a Prophet.

The question is related to the reasons why you consider Muhammad a Prophet, and applying the same standards to Baha’u’llah and providing a comparison on the objective analysis …

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Logically speaking, it is possible for God to send as many prophets as He likes and wishes.

However in the context of Sunni Islam, to them the Quran and the Hadiths related to this topic are quite clear concerning the issue.

Me personally, I am not a Muslim, and believe it is possible that prophets can come after Muhammad.

 

[arthra]

The Quran has been preserved in ten recitations, the most famous being the Hafs. In Sunni Islam it is necessary to know all ten recitations in order to understand the Quran properly. What might be ambiguous in one recitation will be clear in another recitation.

So it is read in **Hafs **as Khatam, which means seal, and it is read in Warsh as Khatim, which means Last or end or conclusion.

Warsh is the main recitation read in Northern Africa, from Morocco to Egypt, mainly read by those who follow the Maliki school of Islamic Law.

Because of this, Sunni scholars have agreed by universal consensus that Prophet Muhammad is the Last of the Prophets and Messengers.

The Wikipedia article is fairly good I think:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatam_an-Nabiyyin