The Glorious Miracle of Prophet Muhammed: Mi'raj

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Perhaps there is a middle ground. The Qur’an may not be considered Holy Scripture to people like us but it need not be nonsense as a result. There may be some wise and moral ideas contained therein.
Agree completely. I would even go as far as saying that whatever the philosophers and kings can do to make people behave is worth it. Christianity in the first few centuries adopted practices of the locals like the Lars and Penates idols of the Romans which morphed into the multiplicious statues that Italians over the millennia have loved so much. The Christmas tree comes from Germanic tribal customs,* und so weiter.*
 
Agree completely. I would even go as far as saying that whatever the philosophers and kings can do to make people behave is worth it. Christianity in the first few centuries adopted practices of the locals like the Lars and Penates idols of the Romans which morphed into the multiplicious statues that Italians over the millennia have loved so much. The Christmas tree comes from Germanic tribal customs,* und so weiter.*
There’s a big difference, The romans believed their idols were gods and worshipped them, the Italian (or any) catholics do not or never have.
 
There’s a big difference, The Romans believed their idols were gods and worshipped them, the Italian (or any) Catholics do not or never have.
I come from an Italian background so I know all about it. What about the prohibition of making an image? People might mix up the idol and whom it represents. Conceivably intelligent Romans like Cato and Cicero didn’t believe these stone figures were really gods. The Protestants take this injunction far more literally, not to mention Islam that ultimately derived this idea from Judaism.
 
I come from an Italian background so I know all about it. What about the prohibition of making an image?
Deut. 4:15 - from this verse, Protestants say that since we saw “no form” of the Lord, we should not make graven images of Him.

Deut. 4:16 - of course, in early history Israel was forbidden to make images of God because God didn’t yet reveal himself visibly “in the form of any figure.”

Deut. 4:17-19 - hence, had the Israelites depicted God not yet revealed, they might be tempted to worship Him in the form of a beast, bird, reptile or fish, which was a common error of the times.

Exodus 3:2-3; Dan 7:9; Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32; Acts 2:3- later on, however, we see that God did reveal himself in visible form (as a dove, fire, etc).

Deut. 5:8 - God’s commandment “thou shall not make a graven image” is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.

Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God.

Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural.

I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon’s temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship.

2 Kings 18:4 - it was only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God’s wrath, and the king destroyed it. The command prohibiting the use of graven images deals exclusively with the false worship of those images.

1 Chron. 28:18-19 - David gives Solomon the plan for the altar made of refined gold with a golden cherubim images. These images were used in the Jews’ most solemn place of worship.

2 Chron. 3:7-14 - the house was lined with gold with elaborate cherubim carved in wood and overlaid with gold.

Ezek. 41:15 - Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of cherubim. These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many Catholic churches.

Col. 1:15 - the only image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the “image” (Greek “eikon”) of the invisible God.
 
Deut. 4:15 - from this verse, Protestants say that since we saw “no form” of the Lord, we should not make graven images of Him.
Deut. 4:16 - of course, in early history Israel was forbidden to make images of God because God didn’t yet reveal himself visibly “in the form of any figure.”
Deut. 4:17-19 - hence, had the Israelites depicted God not yet revealed, they might be tempted to worship Him in the form of a beast, bird, reptile or fish, which was a common error of the times.
Exodus 3:2-3; Dan 7:9; Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32; Acts 2:3- later on, however, we see that God did reveal himself in visible form (as a dove, fire, etc).
Deut. 5:8 - God’s commandment “thou shall not make a graven image” is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.
Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God.
Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural.
I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon’s temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship.
2 Kings 18:4 - it was only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God’s wrath, and the king destroyed it. The command prohibiting the use of graven images deals exclusively with the false worship of those images.
1 Chron. 28:18-19 - David gives Solomon the plan for the altar made of refined gold with a golden cherubim images. These images were used in the Jews’ most solemn place of worship.
2 Chron. 3:7-14 - the house was lined with gold with elaborate cherubim carved in wood and overlaid with gold.
Ezek. 41:15 - Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of cherubim. These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many Catholic churches.
Col. 1:15 - the only image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the “image” (Greek “eikon”) of the invisible God.
The same site also treats of relics and holy water.
scripturecatholic.com/sacramentals.html
There is always the danger that uneducated people will take things literally. This is one of the main reasons the clergy interpreted Scripture for the laity and more so before the invention of printing.
 
The same site also treats of relics and holy water.
scripturecatholic.com/sacramentals.html
There is always the danger that uneducated people will take things literally. This is one of the main reasons the clergy interpreted Scripture for the laity and more so before the invention of printing.
I totally agree, The church always knows best. 👍

1 Timothy 3:15New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

15 if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is **the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. **
 
The Miracle of Mi’raj prove importance of prophet Muhammed because non of previous prophet were recipient of such thing. Jesus were ascended but Jesus did not go beyond of Heavens.
I would like to believe you but when you take Jesus’ words out of context and skip verses, your view cannot be taken seriously at all. 👍

MJ
 
Hasantas, if your reasoning is correct, then I should put my faith in Mormonism, since it is ‘less old’ and therefore ‘less corrupted’ than your faith…ironically, both religions were founded by one man who claimed to be a prophet of God…

I would ask you using your logic, why not be Mormon?
 
Hasantas, if your reasoning is correct, then I should put my faith in Mormonism, since it is ‘less old’ and therefore ‘less corrupted’ than your faith…ironically, both religions were founded by one man who claimed to be a prophet of God…

I would ask you using your logic, why not be Mormon?
Good point!!!
 
Last night Muslims attained the anniversary of one of the greatest miracle of Muhammed, Mi’raj. Mi’raj mean ascension. That miracle consist of two stages. The first part is Isra(Night Journey) and the second part is Mi’raj(ascension). In Isra Muhammed was taken from Mecca to Jerusalem. And in Mi’raj Muhammed was ascended to Heavens. Through that ascension Muhammed saw Paradise, Hell and further and beyond of these Kursiyy, Arsh-ı A’zam(The Highest Throne) and Sidrat-ul Muntaha(The last point of entity). Muhammed turn back through same way. All those cases happened in a short time of night. Here one of website about that miracle:

questionsonislam.com/…/miracle-isra-nig…

The Miracle of Mi’raj prove importance of prophet Muhammed because non of previous prophet were recipient of such thing. Jesus were ascended but Jesus did not go beyond of Heavens.
If this is a miracle than Cheech and Chong have had many more and are more worthy of the title prophet:D
 
Hasantas, if your reasoning is correct, then I should put my faith in Mormonism, since it is ‘less old’ and therefore ‘less corrupted’ than your faith…ironically, both religions were founded by one man who claimed to be a prophet of God…

I would ask you using your logic, why not be Mormon?
I do not know much about Mormon but what I understand is that they are as Baha’i. Baha’i take from every religion but Mormon take from Christians.

What I mean Qur’an is more healty because we know all details about it. But Bible or Torah are not same. And Qur’an is directly speech of God but there are intermediaries in Bible. For instance Gospels were written in statements of saints.
 
I do not know much about Mormon but what I understand is that they are as Baha’i. Baha’i take from every religion but Mormon take from Christians.
Isn’t that amazing that several religions can’t do without Jesus Christ? Yet they take our Holy Scriptures and tell us who Jesus is. :eek:

MJ
 
Isn’t that amazing that several religions can’t do without Jesus Christ? Yet they take our Holy Scriptures and tell us who Jesus is. :eek:

MJ
Could you not iterpret your scripture wrongly? For instance someone could comment Qur’an in a wrong way and really some do yet they are Muslim.
 
I do not know much about Mormon but what I understand is that they are as Baha’i. Baha’i take from every religion but Mormon take from Christians.

What I mean Qur’an is more healty because we know all details about it. But Bible or Torah are not same. And Qur’an is directly speech of God but there are intermediaries in Bible. For instance Gospels were written in statements of saints.
I think it is fair to say that Islam takes from all the religions before it.

Christianity takes from all the religions before it

Judaism takes from all the religions before it

If you want me to provide comparable quotes from all the various Holy Books, I would be delighted to offer the insight 🙂

Truth is truth. If Moses offers a Truth, it is only reasonable that Jesus, Muhammad and Baha’u’llah would re-iterate it.

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Last night Muslims attained the anniversary of one of the greatest miracle of Muhammed, Mi’raj. Mi’raj mean ascension. That miracle consist of two stages. The first part is Isra(Night Journey) and the second part is Mi’raj(ascension). In Isra Muhammed was taken from Mecca to Jerusalem. And in Mi’raj Muhammed was ascended to Heavens. Through that ascension Muhammed saw Paradise, Hell and further and beyond of these Kursiyy, Arsh-ı A’zam(The Highest Throne) and Sidrat-ul Muntaha(The last point of entity). Muhammed turn back through same way. All those cases happened in a short time of night. Here one of website about that miracle:

questionsonislam.com/…/miracle-isra-nig…

The Miracle of Mi’raj prove importance of prophet Muhammed because non of previous prophet were recipient of such thing. Jesus were ascended but Jesus did not go beyond of Heavens.
Have you every prayed to God and asked him to teach you the truth about his nature, even if it is not Islam?
 
but Mormon take from Christians.
Joseph Smith modeled himself somewhat after Muhammad.

He claimed he is the new Mohammad of his time.

How do you think he allowed multiple wives to a single man? Just like Mohammad!!
 
And who wrote the Quran?

Joseph Smith ‘wrote’ the Book of Mormon through ‘divine inspiration’ he had translating golden plates while looking through a piece of crystal…he claimed it was divine inspiration and so should I take him at his word? If I have a mystical experience, how do I know it’s not the evil one misleading me or my own wishful thinking?

The New Testament of the Bible (the part about Jesus) was put together by witnesses who saw the miracles and had first-hand experience of living and knowing Jesus in the flesh. Muslims love to say that since some details in the 4 Gospels differ, that we should disregard them and that they are ‘corrupted’…like ‘throwing the baby out with the bathwater’…

If you and I were both eye witnesses to a miracle but in recounting it I said that it occurred 6 months ago in front of a school and you recalled it happening 8 months ago on a Tuesday in front of 24 people, does that mean it never happened?
 
And who wrote the Quran?

Joseph Smith ‘wrote’ the Book of Mormon through ‘divine inspiration’ he had translating golden plates while looking through a piece of crystal…he claimed it was divine inspiration and so should I take him at his word? If I have a mystical experience, how do I know it’s not the evil one misleading me or my own wishful thinking?

The New Testament of the Bible (the part about Jesus) was put together by witnesses who saw the miracles and had first-hand experience of living and knowing Jesus in the flesh. Muslims love to say that since some details in the 4 Gospels differ, that we should disregard them and that they are ‘corrupted’…like ‘throwing the baby out with the bathwater’…

If you and I were both eye witnesses to a miracle but in recounting it I said that it occurred 6 months ago in front of a school and you recalled it happening 8 months ago on a Tuesday in front of 24 people, does that mean it never happened?
It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

The First approach’d the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
“God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!”

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -“Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!”

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant
Is very like a snake!”

The Fourth reached out his eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
“What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain,” quoth he,
“'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!”

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: “E’en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!”

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant
Is very like a rope!”

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

MORAL.
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
*Not one of them has seen! *
 
hasantas,

I am always curious when non-Christians visit catholic answers to find their answers to these questions.

what did mohammed teach that added to the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

or, in another form, what was missing from the teachings of Jesus Christ that were completed by the teachings of mohammed?

I know Jesus through His life, death and Resurrection provided human beings with a pathway to perfect union with our Creator. what more does mohammed say human beings need, besides a pathway to perfect union with their Creator?
 
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