The God of Islam

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Charlie Zeaiter,

Islam denies the deity of Jesus and denies that Jesus is the son of God.

I know.

The Islaminc scripture specifically denies Jesus as the Son of God (Qur’an 5:17), and specifically denies His crucifixion (Qur’an 4:157). That’s why we don’t refer to them as Christians.

So, You have made your wish to stand against God and embracing the devil…

No, I am trying to love my enemy.

I do believe muslims are brain-washed. (I’ll probably get in touble for that.) And I do believe they are still God’s children.

I don’t want to come in hatred or destroy their faith. We have the Gospel to offer the whole world; and muslims will not be excluded if they believe and join us with Jesus Christ.

When St Paul went to Athens (Ac 17:22-24), he noticed that the Athenians were very religious, but they did not know God. St Paul told them that God is the one who made the world and everything in it.

I would like to be like St Paul and preach the gospel to the muslims. Branding them as devil worshippers won’t win their hearts.

 

[JohnWilliams]

For anyone actually interested in learning about Islam, I suggest you go to a Islamic apologists site. Learning from the ppl hear is like trying to learn about Christianity from Jack Chick.

As to whomever mentioned that Allah is a moon god…nope
islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html

It was a Nigerian former Muslim - and about a jillion sites on the internet:
ellisskolfield.com/pdf/IslamReviewed.pdf
search.yahoo.com/search?p=allah+moon+god+idol&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

 

[JohnWilliams]

No, I am trying to love my enemy.
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You don’t love your “enemy” by helping him remain deluded all the way down the road to perdition.
Islam is exactly and specifically antichrist. You help them by sending them to places like:
Muslims for Christ: (xmuslims.com) exmuslim.com/
Or Walid Shoebat a former PLO terrorist: shoebat.com/
And explaining the truth of God’s Holy Word.

 

[bella5110]

I know.

The Islaminc scripture specifically denies Jesus as the Son of God (Qur’an 5:17), and specifically denies His crucifixion (Qur’an 4:157). That’s why we don’t refer to them as Christians.

No, I am trying to love my enemy.

I do believe muslims are brain-washed. (I’ll probably get in touble for that.) And I do believe they are still God’s children.

I don’t want to come in hatred or destroy their faith. We have the Gospel to offer the whole world; and muslims will not be excluded if they believe and join us with Jesus Christ.

When St Paul went to Athens (Ac 17:22-24), he noticed that the Athenians were very religious, but they did not know God. St Paul told them that God is the one who made the world and everything in it.

I would like to be like St Paul and preach the gospel to the muslims. Branding them as devil worshippers won’t win their hearts.

Good luck trying to preach The gospel to a Muslim, better chance of hitting the number…

 

[Loginus]

It was a Nigerian former Muslim - and about a jillion sites on the internet:
ellisskolfield.com/pdf/IslamReviewed.pdf
search.yahoo.com/search?p=allah+moon+god+idol&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

Perhaps next time should READ the link before you decide to post. My link has alot of research with all sorts of sources that can be referenced.

You’re first link uses the King James Version of the Bible to contrast with the Qur’an.

As for your second link, they are all heavily bias just from seeing the links and with titles like “AllAH IS A FALSE GOD” and some of them spell Muslims as ‘Mooslems’.
You’ll have to excuse me, but I perfer a scholarly resource by someone respectable over something some guy posted whilst drunk.

 

[JohnWilliams]

Good luck trying to preach The gospel to a Muslim, better chance of hitting the number…

I can’t imagine a much more unchristian thing to say. exmuslim.com/

 

[JohnWilliams]

Perhaps next time should READ the link before you decide to post. My link has alot of research with all sorts of sources that can be referenced.

I would think a Christian shouldn’t need to read much further than this to recognize that Allah is not Yahweh:

Here is what their god says, from the Koran: “The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. God’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! Surah 9.30”

The founding verses from the Dome of the Rock read thus: “O you People of the Book, overstep not bounds in your religion, and of God speak only the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is only an apostle of God, and his Word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him. Believe therefore in God and his apostles, and say not Three. It will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from his glory that he should have a son.”

 

[bella5110]

I can’t imagine a much more unchristian thing to say. exmuslim.com/

Oh here we go…look at the other posts before you judge who is unchristian. you insult me.

 

[pumpqeen]

Charlie Zeaiter, the problem is not even hatred…YET.

The problem is you calling the anti-christ YOUR God.

 

[Loginus]

I would think a Christian shouldn’t need to read much further than this to recognize that Allah is not Yahweh:

Here is what their god says, from the Koran: “The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. God’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! Surah 9.30”

The founding verses from the Dome of the Rock read thus: “O you People of the Book, overstep not bounds in your religion, and of God speak only the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is only an apostle of God, and his Word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him. Believe therefore in God and his apostles, and say not Three. It will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from his glory that he should have a son.”

Hmm before I go on, I must apologize. You simply seem misguided as opposed to arrogant as most anti-Islam posters are on these boards

You are correct, technically Allah is not God, but God is YHWH either. The jews believe in a single God and deny the trinity. The trinity it unique to Christianity.

Jews and Muslims are almost identical but Christians are waay out there.

As for the name ‘Allah’, it is a variation of ‘El’. one of the jewish names for God.

If you dont believe me, I suggest you type 'El(God) into the wiki site and read up. its very interesting. As is that article I posted. It systematically debanks the Allah = Moon god claim in a very scholarly way.

Good Day

 

[JohnWilliams]

Hmm before I go on, I must apologize. You simply seem misguided as opposed to arrogant as most anti-Islam posters are on these boards

You are correct, technically Allah is not God, but God is YHWH either. The jews believe in a single God and deny the trinity. The trinity it unique to Christianity.

Jews and Muslims are almost identical

I feel so sad for you. Maybe you could try starting in Romans 11.

but Christians are waay out there.

As for the name ‘Allah’, it is a variation of ‘El’. one of the jewish names for God.

If you dont believe me, I suggest you type 'El(God) into the wiki site and read up. its very interesting. As is that article I posted. It systematically debanks the Allah = Moon god claim in a very scholarly way.

Good Day

 

[Loginus]

I feel so sad for you. Maybe you could try starting in Romans 11.

A. Why?
B. What does feeling sry for me have to do with the discussion?

 

[kellie]

NOW WHICH OF YOU FELLOW CATHOLICS IS SAYING THAT ALLAH IS THE SAME GOD AS THE CHRISTIANS? PLEASE BEG FOR MERCY FROM YOUR LOCAL PRIESTS FOR ACKNOWLEDING THE DEVIL AS YOUR FATHER.

The CCC says it

1. God hates divorce and re-marriages and finds it disgusting, but allah thinks its great!

But we can get a marriage annulled and then remarry. God does not find all failed marriages disgusting, not if they have failed sacramentally.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

You don’t love your “enemy” by helping him remain deluded all the way down the road to perdition.
Islam is exactly and specifically antichrist. You help them by sending them to places like:
Muslims for Christ: (xmuslims.com) exmuslim.com/
Or Walid Shoebat a former PLO terrorist: shoebat.com/
And explaining the truth of God’s Holy Word.

Agreed. But first you have to love them. Otherwise, they won’t visit those sites.

Good luck trying to preach The gospel to a Muslim…

Thanks… we’re gonna need it. History shows it can be deadly.

… better chance of hitting the number…

So, should we give up?

… The problem is you calling the anti-christ YOUR God.

No, I’m saying muslims are still God’s children.

We don’t believe the Qur’an is God inspired scripture. We know they do… but how do we teach them that it isn’t?

In conclusion (my final post on this thread);
I think the Catholic Church has the best historical record of preaching the gospel and converting people to Christianity. I trust the Catholic Church in winning the hearts of muslims. I don’t think any other Christian group stands a chance.

 

[AlphaOmega]

Very interesting responses…
I want to point out that, personally for me, I believe when they (Muslims) praise and worship “Allah” in all things good and proper, then there could be a chance for grace to come from the true God. In that sense, God responds according to their needs in order for them to be saved through the merits of Jesus Christ who died for all men.
In this, I agree with the Catholic Church, (Catechism) they could be worshipping the same God.
However, I do not believe their religion is of God, or inspired by God. (It must be from below, or it could be from above. One or the other. Possibly both?) Nor do I believe they can be saved by their religion. It may be that they are saved according to their good works and devotion?
You see, I can’t grasp the idea that all those ‘good’ Muslims will be lost due to their adherence to a certain religion they only know all their lives. And I can’t understand, or will accept, that God inspired another religion outside of the ONE true Faith.
I hope everyone will read my reply. And I apologize if I can’t personally respond to your comments.
I’m really interested in expanding this discussion a little further.
Can anyone provide for us the actual Qu’ran, so that we can read into it?
Thanks. God bless!

 

[pumpqeen]

Kellie, I do not know of such a thing as a sacramentally acceptable divorce in the scripture.

According to the Head, none other than Jesus Christ Himself, that is. Divorce is never sacramentally acceptable, except for reasons of fornication by your spouse.

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MATTHEW 19: 7 They say unto him (Jesus), Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.​

So, you see if you divorce and re-marry you have already committed adultery. Same with your spouse. Of course, not everyone can accept this, that is why you can say anything you like, but divorce is NEVER God’s will.

 

[pumpqeen]

Charlie Charlie, love is not blind. A Christian must be a lover of truth. That is the very basic foundation of Christianity. And we have already showed you why Islam belongs to the Anti-Christ.

Loving them certainly does not mean telling them lies that their allah is a god! Please. By so doing you have already committed apostasy! Now, what has a heretic have to do with bringing people into the kingdom of God?

And if you’re going to categorically call all mankind as children of God, nobody’s going to waste time trying to fault you. Because by that classification, is not even Satan a child of God?!

The Catholic church has been successful in many areas, but when it comes to dealing with muslims, it has at best only been indifferent. Blame it on the failed crusades which now makes the papacy think twice about waging wars against the dark religion which now instead inadvertently lets the ignorant take it as a sign of acceptance of the anti-christ.

I do not blame you for your attitude towards the matter. I blame it on your environment.

 

[inJESUS]

Pumpqueen, Muhammad believed in the God of Abraham, so did satan. Satan believes yet misleads.

Regarding divorce, Muhammad allowed divorce and Muslims can divorce for any reason. Jesus said you can’t divorce for any reason. That’s why divorce is a peace of cake in Islam, whereas it is very difficult in Christianity.

 

[pumpqeen]

True, if believing in God and not doing His will is the determination of Salvation, Satan would also be saved.

Its always so near yet so far. God’s number is 7, Satan’s number is 6. God said “You shall surely die”, Satan changed it a little to mean “You shall NOT surely die”. God told the prophet not to return from whence he came, but another man who claimed himself as a messenger of God told the prophet otherwise. And what happened when the prophet followed the latter’s instruction that violated the first??? He died!

Many people think its okay to accept differences in scriptural teachings when it is clearly not. There are many examples in the bible openly written for all Christians to learn from. Unfortunately, some people are too lazy to read, some read with eyes closed. When God says ONE, He means ONE. We should not at anytime take it upon ourselves the freedom to interpret it otherwise.

The disgust by God of man marrying one wife after another is made apparent in many cases. Moses taught against it and Jesus re-inforced it, and yet here we have people telling us that there are sacramentally acceptable divorces. Indeed, some are really hard of hearing.

 

[Living4Christ]

Very interesting responses…
I want to point out that, personally for me, I believe when they (Muslims) praise and worship “Allah” in all things good and proper, then there could be a chance for grace to come from the true God.QUOTE]

God responds to faith, not need. If Muslims are praying to Allah, God is not going to intervene, but if they asked for the one true God to intervene in their life, then God of the Christians, not Allah, would intervene.

I know a former Muslim that at his dieing moments, after the doctors said there was nothing they could do, and knowing that Allah nor Muhammad was not a healer, cried out for the one true God. It wasn’t Allah or Muhammad that showed, but Jesus Christ. The God of the Christians came to heal that dieing Muslim and now he is bringing Muslims to Christ all over the World. You can check his website out at www.wisdom-ministries.com and read more on his incredible testimony.

We are not saved through our works but through Christ Jesus. Muslims can be the nicest person in the world, but we know in the Bible John 14:6, 7 Jesus says “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My father”

It does not read, if you had known Muhammad, you would have known My Father.

Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was a man, and a prophet, but they do not believe that he is the son of God, nor accept him as their Lord and Savior who died on the cross for our sins, which is the whole basis of Christianity.

Muhammad was demon possessed. He foamed at the mouth as people were writing down what he said which later became the so called Qur’an. Please don’t strike me down for saying this, but I have heard said before that if Satan was ever to make a religion that was the exact opposite of Christianity, it would be Islam. The enemy would love all of us to think that the god of the Muslims is the same God as the Christians. He likes to mix half truths in with lies to deceive us.

Now I am not saying hate Muslims and condemn them. Show them the love of Jesus and plant seeds in their life that can eventually grow. God is love, and just through that principle alone proves they are it’s not the same god. Please don’t think I am trying to be hateful.

As for the comment for the Jews and Muslims being very similar, I beg to disagree. When you get deep down into it, Muslims are against Jews and Christians. The God of the Jews is the same God of the Christians. The god of the Muslims however is not.

God is I AM, not HE WAS. He is all knowing and never changing today, tomorrow and for the rest of eternity. God, being never changing, would make it impossible for him to be the god of the Muslims and the God of the Christians. The Muslim religion contradicts the Christian Faith. God does not persecute against himself.

If anyone has any questions about what I have posted, I would like to know and try to answer it.