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Vimy_Ridge
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Who would you say is the God of the Old Testament? God the Father or God the Son?
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ljubim
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The Father and Spirit. Jesus was around in eternity but obviously He wasn’t yet meant for earth.
I’ve heard some crazies say that Jesus was Melchizadek in the OT. What nuts!
By the title it seemed as if you were going to argue a discontinuity between the OT God and NT God. I was getting pumped for a debate
Cool question though
I’ve heard some crazies say that Jesus was Melchizadek in the OT. What nuts!
By the title it seemed as if you were going to argue a discontinuity between the OT God and NT God. I was getting pumped for a debate
Cool question though
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Nita
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The Triune God – God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
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Eucharisted
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The God of the Old Covenant is the God of the New Covenant, for He said “I am who am.” He is the One who is, the One who exists, the One who is eternal, the One who alone is what He is (that is, God), the One who dose not change but simply is, the One who is with us always and everywhere, the One who’s love for man endures forever and ever, and the One who is Existence, the Source and Summit of every good thing - Goodness Itself.
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teachccd
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There is only one God…The New Covenant was the fulfillment of revelation whereby Christ’s blood was offered as an eternal sacrifice for the redemption of humankind. There is no such thing as the “God of the Old Testament” since all of Scripture is one Utterance of the divine…teachccd
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MGLechner
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A Jewish person reading your question would shake his (or her) head in dismay. The God of the so-called “Old Testament” is YHWH! While it is true he is refered to as the Eternal Father, HaShem (according to Jewish theology) is One (cf. The Shema) and there is no one like him. The trinitarian formula doesn’t even factor into the equation. Therefore rendering your question as moot.
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Kamalayka
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God is One. We have to let go of our intellectual pride and humbly recognize that fact that we will NEVER fathom who God is.
We can spend all eternity, but will never comprehend Him.
Fr. John Hardon wrote:
Christ is the Word of God. The Holy Spirit is the Love of God.
(Think Moses in the Burning Bush passage)
We can spend all eternity, but will never comprehend Him.
Fr. John Hardon wrote:
Christ is the Word of God. The Holy Spirit is the Love of God.
Ever hear, “God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God”?
Once, in John, Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.”(Think Moses in the Burning Bush passage)
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Vimy_Ridge
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That would be an interesting debate. I am actually quite interested in Manichaeism, the old religion that claimed the OT God was actually evil and that the Father God whom Jesus spoke of was different from the Jewish tribal God we find in the OT. But I would not try to argue that because I’m pretty sure Jesus followed and believed in Judaism.By the title it seemed as if you were going to argue a discontinuity between the OT God and NT God. I was getting pumped for a debate
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ljubim
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I agree, that sounds a little off.
And I’m not one to pick scripture quotes out of context, but do remember all the times Jesus mouthed-off (intellectually of course) to the Pharisees. And also how he completely tore apart the marketplace outside of the temple. And how he talked about tying a millstone to the head and throwing the sinner off a cliff into the ocean. I honestly don’t see any discontinuity… I think that the whole peace-and-love-only Jesus is largely an invention of modern society, and various protestant sects, to make us feel good and not make us strive to be good moral people.
Out of curiosity, what religion are ya Vimy?
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Nathan_Wagar
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Also notice that in the gospels, Jesus refers to “keeping my commandments” in contexts that evoke the OT at Sinai.
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Vimy_Ridge
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I joined the Catholic Church about 13 years ago but ended up rejecting the whole Christian religion latter on. My main influence now is the writer ‘Marcus J. Borg’ and I still attend the occasional Catholic Mass.Out of curiosity, what religion are ya Vimy?
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NotWorthy
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Regarding the underlined, doesn’t Hebrews tell us that the Rock that followed Israel through the desert was Christ?The Father and Spirit. Jesus was around in eternity but obviously He wasn’t yet meant for earth.
I’ve heard some crazies say that Jesus was Melchizadek in the OT. What nuts!
By the title it seemed as if you were going to argue a discontinuity between the OT God and NT God. I was getting pumped for a debate
Regarding Melchizedek, the best guess I’ve heard is that Shem, the righteous son of Noah, was Melchizedek. The reason the claim is made of Jesus as Melchizedek is because he is the King of Righteousness and the King of Peace. Also, Hebrews mentions that He had no beginning and no end (paraphrasing).
But Jewish tradition and many Catholic Theologians agree that Melchizedek is Shem, who was still alive during Abraham’s lifetime.
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ljubim
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You’d know better than me
Thanks, I don’t remember hearing that before
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NotWorthy
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One further note upon thinking about Jesus being Melchizedek.You’d know better than me
IMO, it seems that this would conflict with the Incarnation and that Jesus was born of Mary. I mean, He couldn’t be born of Mary if He’d already had a physical existence as Melchizedek. The Apostles and St. Paul would have been preaching of the Reincarnation of our Lord! :whacky:
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