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18: And John’s disciples and the Pharisees were fasting, and they came and said to Him: “Why do John’s disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not?”
And Jesus said to them: "*Can the sons of the bridechamber fast while the bridegroom is with them? As long as they have the bridegroom with them they cannot fast. But the days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in that day.
Fasting: While there are certain days in a given year where all Jews in general would fast (such as the New Year or Yom Kippur), some people fasted regularly week by week. We learn from this passage that regular fasting was the practice of John’s disciples (5:33). The Prophetess Anna fasted regularly (Luke 2:37), as did Cornelius the Centurion (Acts 10:30 in some texts). Paul, too, may have practiced regular fasting, though this isn’t entirely clear (2 Corinthians 6:5; 11:27), The Pharisees also practiced regular fasting (Matthew 6:16-18). They fasted twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays (Luke 18:12).No one sews a piece of unshrunken cloth on an old cloak; otherwise its fullness pulls away from it, the new from the old, and the tear gets worse! And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise, the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost and the skins as well. But one puts new wine into fresh wineskins.*"
Can the sons of the bridechamber (Yioi tou nymphonos) fast while the bridegroom is with them: In rabbinic fashion, Jesus responds to the challenge with another question. This provides the second typical element of the pronouncement story: a superior question or argument. The grammatical form of the question (which begins with the particle me) signifies the expectation of a negative answer. The disciples are here implicitly compared to wedding guests who are enjoying the presence of the bridegroom.
In addition to identifying the time of His presence as a wedding feast, verse 19, especially in light of verse 20, implicitly describes Jesus Himself as the bridegroom of the feast. What does this mean for the audience? The audience may have been familiar with the Old Testament depictions of God as the bridegroom of his people (cf. Isaiah 61:10, 62:4-5; Ezek. 16; Hosea 1-3); it is unclear, however, whether the Judaism of Jesus’ time understood the term “bridegroom” itself to have directly Messianic significance. Such an identification has no direct evidence to support it. However, the audience, already aware that Jesus is the Christ (1:1) and the beloved Son of God (1:11), will realize that in the person of Jesus, God is present to His people in an unprecedented way.
In weddings in Jesus’ day, the bridegroom and his family were expected to put on the celebration (John 2:9-10), and banquets are held in the groom’s house.
First, the groom and his friend would go to the bride’s home to fetch her and her attendants, friends and relatives, and the couple would lead them in a procession to the groom’s house (cf. Matt. 25:1-13) where the celebration (a huge banquet) would take place. The procession was usually done at night, so that those busy in the day might attend, and that, in accordance with the oriental love of scenic effects, the weird panorama of lights and torches might play an engaging and kindling part.
Hospitality was here especially a sacred duty, and, of course, greatly ministered to the joy of the occasion. An oriental proverb is significant of the store set by it:
“He who does not invite me to his marriage
Will not have me to his funeral.”
Though the marital consummation would take place that night in a chamber on which stood the bridal bed with a canopy, the party might go on for as long as a week with friends and family who had traveled some distance to attend (there were obviously no cars nor trains), as refusing an invitation to a marriage is considered a grave insult.
But the days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them: Jesus now changes the scenery by introducing a note of suspense and sorrow. Since normally the guests, rather than the bridegroom, would depart from the wedding feast, the statement that the bridegroom will depart, and in fact be “taken away” is shocking and surprising to the audience, which has just been told about the joy of the wedding guests in the presence of the bridegroom.
The verb “taken away” (aparthe), while in itself not implying a violent death, echoes the use of the same verb in Isaiah 53:8 to speak of the Suffering Servant: “By oppression and judgment he was taken away (erthe)*…he was cut off *(airetai) from the land of the living.” The audience is thus startled in the midst of the joy of the wedding feast to hear already a prediction by Jesus of His violent death.
No one sews a piece of unshrunken cloth on an old cloak: The cloak (also translated as garment or robe) mentioned is a himation, a sort of outer garment (usually made of wool, with rich men having ones of silk or linen) worn over the tunic, which was wrapped around the body as a sort of protection against the weather. At nighttime people usually used these cloaks as blankets/bedcovers. Jesus here states a well-known fact: No one patches a tear in an old himation with an unshrunk cloth, since if that patch starts to shrink, the tear will eventually just get worse.
The cloak, while an everyday object, also has a symbolic significance. In various religious traditions, the cosmos is compared to a garment (cf. Psalm 102:26). By comparing his mission to a new piece of cloth which cannot be patched on an old garment, Jesus is subtly indicating to the audience that His presence brings a new creation, and cannot be accommodated to the worn-out categories of the old order and of the Jewish religious authorities.
New wine into old wineskins: Wine was made by treading barefoot on the grapes in a wine press, a square or circular pit hewn out of the rock 2 to 3 feet deep, or dug out and lined with rocks and sealed with plaster. The juice then flowed through a channel into a lower vessel, a winevat which functioned as a collecting and fermenting container for the grape juice or must.
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A wine press hewn out of the rock in Neot Kedumim.
In the warm climate of Palestine, grape juice began to ferment very quickly and strongly (frequently on the same day for juice pressed out in the morning, but never later than the next day) and there was no easy way to prevent fermentation (thus it is quite improbable that Jesus drank simple ‘grape juice’). After the first state of fermentation had taken place in the winevat, the wine was separated from the lees (that is, sediment of dead yeast, tartar crystals, small fragments of grape skins, etc.) and strained through a sieve or piece of cloth. After four to six days it was poured into clay jars lined with pitch (amphorae) or animal skins for storage and further fermentation.
At the end of 40 days it was regarded as properly “wine” and could be offered as a drink offering. The practice after this point seems to have varied, no doubt depending on the sort of wine that was being made. Certain kinds were left undisturbed to age “on their lees” and were thought to be all the better for so doing, but before they were used it was necessary to strain them very carefully.
The superiority of old wine to new was acknowledged by the Jews, in common with the rest of the world, but in the wines of Palestine acetous fermentation, changing the wine into vinegar, was likely to occur at any time due to the climate. Three years was about the longest time for which such wines could be kept, and “old wine” meant only wines that had been, stored for a year or more.
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An amphora.
Wineskins were made of whole tanned goatskins (sheep, ox or camel skins are not unknown, however) where the legs and tail were cut off and had been sealed, with nubbins bulging out where the legs once were, the neck tied off where the wine has been poured in. The whole large skin bulged almost to bursting as the carbon dioxide gas generated by the fermentation process stretches it to its limit. Fermentation in the wineskin might continue for another two to four months until the process slows down and stops. By that time the skin has been stretched to its limit. The alcohol is probably about 12%, and the collagen protein that gives the leather its stretching ability has been stretched out, and probably denatured by the alcohol, destroying its natural resiliency. The skin’s ability to contract and stretch again has been lost.
The wine will burst the skins…One puts new wine into fresh wineskins: One could not put newly-created wine into old wineskins as the gas pressure from the fermentation would be great that the formerly-inflexible old skin would rupture, and the new wine would gush out onto the ground and become wasted.
COMMENTARIES:
1.) Commentary by St. Gregory of Nazianzus (Oration 30, 10):
2.) Commentary by St. John Chrysostom (Homily 16 On the Statues):Can the Children of the Bridechamber fast while the Bridegroom is with them; whether He be considered as visible in bodily form (for the time of His sojourning among us was not one of mourning, but of gladness), or, as the Word. For why should they keep a bodily fast who are cleansed by the Word?
3.) Commentary by Tertullian (On Prayer 1):I have heard the Lord saying, No man puts a piece of new cloth into an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up takes from the garment, and the rent is made worse. Neither do men put new wine into old wine-skins; else the wine-skins burst. The souls of some are like an old garment: an old wine-skin. It is not renewed by the faith, nor renovated by the grace of the Spirit. It is yet weak and earthly. It affects the things of this life. It flutters eagerly after worldly show. It loves a glory that is present. Should a soul hear at once, even from the first, that if he becomes a Christian he will become immediately a prisoner, and will be encompassed with a chain; feeling ashamed and indignant, he will recoil from the word preached.
The Spirit of God, and the Word of God, and the Reason of God— Word of Reason, and Reason and Spirit of Word— Jesus Christ our Lord, namely, who is both the one and the other, — has determined for us, the disciples of the New Testament, a new form of prayer; for in this particular also it was needful that new wine should be laid up in new skins, and a new breadth be sewn to a new garment. Besides, whatever had been in bygone days, has either been quite changed, as circumcision; or else supplemented, as the rest of the Law; or else fulfilled, as Prophecy; or else perfected, as faith itself. For the new grace of God has renewed all things from carnal unto spiritual, by superinducing the Gospel, the obliterator of the whole ancient bygone system; in which our Lord Jesus Christ has been approved as the Spirit of God, and the Word of God, and the Reason of God: the Spirit, by which He was mighty; the Word, by which He taught; the Reason, by which He came.