The great Brexit betrayal -- The Brendan O'Neill Show

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Brenden O’Neill discusses the Brexit betrayal by the political class of Britain and the Liberal establishment. He discusses with his guest where this might lead society

 
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The whole Brexit fiasco has been created by the Conservatives for party political reasons .

It is the Conservatives who have betrayed Britain for their own selfish interests .

And the betrayal became increasingly more profound as the Conservative agenda backfired on them .

Hence the disaster we face .
 
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Interesting agreement on how the Left side of politics is not simply moving away from working class people but actively despise them, especially if they don’t hold ‘proper’ group think values or, God forbid, they vote the wrong’ way.

This phenomenon seems to be happening in a few English speaking countries.

Perhaps this is one of the main reasons why there is also a lacking of respect for democracy from those quarters.
 
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Brexit has only ever been nothing more than a cat-fight between factions of the Tory party that got out of hand and then got lumped upon the rest of the country.

One of the reasons I abandoned British “conservatism” many, many years ago and became a “liberal-leftist” (to use the colourful lingo popular on quarters of CAF) and that is the proudest decision of my life thus far.
 
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Vouthon said:
Brexit has only ever been nothing more than a cat-fight between factions of the Tory party that got out
of hand and then got lumped upon the rest of the country.
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So many don’t realise that .

They think it’s all being done in the national interest .
 
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Brexit betrayal
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If anyone wants to learn about Brexit Betrayal read about what this crowd of Conservatives had to say - - - - - - - - - - - - - – -


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www.theguardian.com

Liam Fox: EU trade deal after Brexit should be 'easiest in history' to get

International trade secretary tells Today programme the government is not making contingency plans for leaving without deal
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And Mrs May started from a nonsensical position, as Ambassador Ivan Rogers told her in 2016:
He said: "You have made three commitments in good faith to different audiences, but they are not really compatible with each other.

"You have said to the Irish … under no circumstances will a hard border be erected across the island of Ireland.

"You have said to the Democratic Unionist community under no circumstances will there be divergence from the rest of Great Britain.

"And you have said to the right of your own party that you are heading out of the customs union.

“You can’t do all three. You have got to choose two of the three.”
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The Conservatives have never properly swallowed that plain and obvious advice.

www.independent.ie

I told Theresa May her three Irish Brexit priorities were incompatible, says UK's former ambassador to EU

Outgoing UK Prime Minister Theresa May was warned that her three Brexit priorities for Ireland were incompatible back in 2016, the UK's former ambassador to the EU has said.
www.independent.ie www.independent.ie
 
Well if Virus’s deal is real, it’s looking like DUP has drawn the short straw.
 
Interesting point by Brenden that the political class are trying to control language so as to control the discussion. This looks to expose a greater tendency for authoritarian ideology which itself leads to a support of big unaccountable government types of political structures such as the EU.

By defining some words as offensive such words and by extension some criticism are attempted to be silenced. Political correctness 101.

This is of course the religion of the political class which is the substitute religion of our time taught by a secularised education system and supported by media. Those people ‘baptised’ into this secular religion are soclialised into not just accepting this class ruling them, but want the present political class to rule over all of us, hence the dismissive arrogance for the majority Brexit result.

Those supporting big unaccountable government that supercedes religion and national culture seem largely to be people who were ‘educated out of’ both during their secularised education and during a time of narrow minded hegemony in media pushing the same message.
 
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If anyone wants to learn about Brexit Betrayal read about what this crowd of Conservatives had to say
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Except that the people behind Brexit and the home-grown and foreign reactionary elite who bankrolled the project were pretty clear on the subject. Why do you think we’ve got people like Raab, Truss, Patel and Kwarteng in the Cabinet?

This has always been about creating an ‘Asian’ economy and doing away with the post-war welfare consensus.
 
and where was any of that stated by Brexiteers?

Sounds like the deceit of Project Fear.
 
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Rob2 said:
Please inform members of the forum about what you call “Project Fear” .
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Here we go again asking for definitions and clarifications.

It is a well known and understood phrase used in the Brexit discussions.

Google it.
 
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abucs said:
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Please inform members of the forum about what you call “Project Fear” .
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Here we go again asking for definitions and clarifications.

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It is normal when discussing matters to seek definition and clarification .

But you do not wish to discuss .
 
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It is normal when discussing matters to seek definition and clarification .

But you do not wish to discuss .
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You are not here to discuss you are here to frustrate.

You would make a good Remainer MP.
 
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The two things are not logically exclusive.

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Once again you fail to answer a question .

I asked of you @abucs , " If I would make a good Remainer MP , why did I vote in the referendum to leave the EU ? and How did you vote?
 
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Once again you fail to answer a question .

I asked of you @abucs , " If I would make a good Remainer MP , why did I vote in the referendum to leave the EU ?
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Once again you seem to be wanting to argue for the sake of arguing. Your question implicitly suggests you cannot do one and be another. This is not logically coherent.

You can vote Remain for example and be a good Brexit MP. The two are not mutually exclusive which is simple logic.

But I am sure you will find some other peripheral to argue about now.

I am not interested. Sit down and think about the illogic you are asserting.

If you can’t recognize it then really there is not much I can do for you.

Please go and find another outlet.
 
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