The green issue that dare not speak its name

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ribozyme said:
I do not care if I have to work… I want to contribute politically in the way that George Soros had done. I want to engage in political activities too.
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So do you want to bankrupt a few countries on the way like george did? Do you want to manipulate the currecny markets to enrich yoursewlf while 100s of thousands are driven into poverty? you have some very strange role- models
 
cynic said:
:eek: Yikes…it’s also a sink for 10% of the worlds carbon, and it’s being cut down at a rate of 10.5 square km per hour - to be replaced by low quality farmland that’s only productive for a couple of years.
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I think he is kidding or at least I pray to God he is…
 
cynic said:
:eek: Yikes…it’s also a sink for 10% of the worlds carbon, and it’s being cut down at a rate of 10.5 square km per hour - to be replaced by low quality farmland that’s only productive for a couple of years.
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It’s only low quality because all of the organic matter is in the trees. Precolumbian Amazonian Amerinds cured vast tracts of it by burying pottery shards and charcoal. “Slash and burn” agriculture neglects to do that, but burns the wood to ash…
 
Ridgerunner said:
It’s only low quality because all of the organic matter is in the trees. Precolumbian Amazonian Amerinds cured vast tracts of it by burying pottery shards and charcoal. “Slash and burn” agriculture neglects to do that, but burns the wood to ash…
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…good enough to grow soya beans that end up as cattle feed in Europe. And how about the loss of oxygen production for the world, not worrying at all.😦
 
cynic said:
…good enough to grow soya beans that end up as cattle feed in Europe. And how about the loss of oxygen production for the world, not worrying at all.😦
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Contrary to what most environmentalists seem to think, protozoa fix more oxygen than all other oxygen sources in the world combined. I think we’ll somehow manage to survive. 👍

Plus, getting rid of the Amazon yields one and a half billion acres of arable farmland. I’m sure the hundreds of millions of starving people around the globe would disagree with Al Gore about the best use for this land.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Contributing politically in the way that George Soros does is easy. Steal an old lady’s purse and donate 1% of the money to Planned Parenthood. Donate another 3% to the hard left. Keep the rest.
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The payoff is great, theres opportunity to make a charitable contribution, and its thrilling and fun as well. Can’t get a much better job than that. 😃
 
cynic said:
:eek: Yikes…it’s also a sink for 10% of the worlds carbon, and it’s being cut down at a rate of 10.5 square km per hour - to be replaced by low quality farmland that’s only productive for a couple of years.
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Nonsense, farmland is high or poor quality depending on what the farmers make of it. In addition what is good for growing corn is not neccesarily what is good for growing peanuts.
 
cynic said:
:eek: Yikes…it’s also a sink for 10% of the worlds carbon, and it’s being cut down at a rate of 10.5 square km per hour - to be replaced by low quality farmland that’s only productive for a couple of years.
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I question that figure.
I have heard it stated for nearly 20 years now.
 
summasix said:
Contrary to what most environmentalists seem to think, protozoa fix more oxygen than all other oxygen sources in the world combined. I think we’ll somehow manage to survive. 👍

Plus, getting rid of the Amazon yields one and a half billion acres of arable farmland. I’m sure the hundreds of millions of starving people around the globe would disagree with Al Gore about the best use for this land.
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Shhhh! :tsktsk:

The “Population Control” crowd does not like facts unless they make them up. They especially do not like facts that proves them wrong. In fact, you may be charged with “crimes against humanity” if you do use such facts.

“Population Control” is genocide.
 
vz71 said:
I question that figure.
I have heard it stated for nearly 20 years now.
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I don’t trust statistics and figures anymore. When they aren’t made-up on the spot, they are blindly accepted by anyone who wants it to be true.

If someone provides a “reliable” source for each figure they use, thet gives them some credibility.
 
summasix said:
Contrary to what most environmentalists seem to think, protozoa fix more oxygen than all other oxygen sources in the world combined. I think we’ll somehow manage to survive. 👍
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Tropical rainforests produce about 40% of the worlds oxygen.
summasix said:
Plus, getting rid of the Amazon yields one and a half billion acres of arable farmland. I’m sure the hundreds of millions of starving people around the globe would disagree with Al Gore about the best use for this land.
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There’s no global food shortage. Millions of tonnes of food gets disposed of every year.

There’s also the issue of destroying the most biodiverse environment on the planet.

Sometimes I can’t believe the kind of fatalistic comments on these boards… Nature is ‘fallen’. :whacky:
 
cynic said:
Tropical rainforests produce about 40% of the worlds oxygen.

There’s no global food shortage. Millions of tonnes of food gets disposed of every year.

There’s also the issue of destroying the most biodiverse environment on the planet.

Sometimes I can’t believe the kind of fatalistic comments on these boards… Nature is ‘fallen’. :whacky:
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It would be interesting to know the NET production of oxygen by rain forests, because they also use up oxygen. More interesting still would be the net production versus all other exygen-producing sources.

I have no basis for disagreeing that the Amazon rain forest is the most biodiverse environment on the planet. It may well be. I am not sure, however, how much of that might be due to human intervention. Much of it seems to have been brought there from other places in precolumbian times; a phenomenon that is fairly common in the western hemisphere. Certainly it has been proved true in my part of the country. Precolumbian Indians brought plant species into this area that were not, theretofore, “native” to the area. Doubtless some kinds of animal life, insect life, bacteria, molds, etc, were introduced as well.
 
cynic said:
Tropical rainforests produce about 40% of the worlds oxygen.
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Nonsense.
There’s no global food shortage. Millions of tonnes of food gets disposed of every year.
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True, its not so much a shortage as it is a supply/dependency problem. If the resources of the rain forests were put to use, as God has intended us to use our brains to figure out how to do, it would be much more beneficial to mankind than just having a pretty, picturesque, and untouched parkland.
There’s also the issue of destroying the most biodiverse environment on the planet.
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My manure pile is a fairly biodiverse environment.
Nature is ‘fallen’. :whacky:
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Nature isn’t fallen, It’s people who are unwilling to make use of the Earth that God has given us.
 
And how does all this relate to the proposition that the population must be reduced? And why aren’t those pushing population reduction volunteering to take early departure?
 
Now, I’m one of the last people to get on the “Mother Earth’s needs over humanity!” crazy train, but dang! sometimes some people tend to get just as crazy on the other side of the debate.

Consider Matthew 25:14-30. The master rewarded those who exercised proper stewardship over his property. They used the resources (in this case, money) in a way that not only kept the original resource intact, but also yielded more than originally given.

But look at how unhappy the master was with the one who didn’t use the resources properly. Dang! the third servant just left the money as is, hidden in a hole, and that ticked the master right off. Imagine how angry the master would have been if the servant had lost or destroyed or squandered the resources and met the master with a “hey, you put me in charge of the money, I figured I could use it for whatever I wanted” attitude.

Being stewards of the Earth doesn’t mean that we can blithely trash whole ecosystems (or even the local watershed). But neither does it mean that the resource takes priority over the stewards.
 
Cari said:
Now, I’m one of the last people to get on the “Mother Earth’s needs over humanity!” crazy train, but dang! sometimes some people tend to get just as crazy on the other side of the debate.

Consider Matthew 25:14-30. The master rewarded those who exercised proper stewardship over his property. They used the resources (in this case, money) in a way that not only kept the original resource intact, but also yielded more than originally given.

But look at how unhappy the master was with the one who didn’t use the resources properly. Dang! the third servant just left the money as is, hidden in a hole, and that ticked the master right off. Imagine how angry the master would have been if the servant had lost or destroyed or squandered the resources and met the master with a “hey, you put me in charge of the money, I figured I could use it for whatever I wanted” attitude.

Being stewards of the Earth doesn’t mean that we can blithely trash whole ecosystems (or even the local watershed). But neither does it mean that the resource takes priority over the stewards.
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Be careful!

You can be charged with trying to inject common sense into a debate, you know.😉
 
cynic said:
Tropical rainforests produce about 40% of the worlds oxygen.
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And the massive amount of obsure wildlife within consume 50% (you don’t cite valid statistics, so why should I?).
There’s no global food shortage. Millions of tonnes of food gets disposed of every year.
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So thousands of young children in Haiti are dying every year of obesity?
There’s also the issue of destroying the most biodiverse environment on the planet.
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There’s also the issue of destroying the muddiest and smelliest and most crawling with icky creepy crawlies environment on the planet.
Sometimes I can’t believe the kind of fatalistic comments on these boards… Nature is ‘fallen’. :whacky:
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Well, they do exist on the forums, so I must question your sanity. Classifying them as fatalistic is a worthless rhetorical adjective that does not dispute their precise accuracy. And nature is fallen. You have yet to contest this point with any semblance of logical argument.:bounce:
 
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