The green issue that dare not speak its name

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ribozyme said:
%between% So how is this related to population control? Isn’t that article about how the Oregon’s Health Plan is underfunded to take care of such a situation?
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It is population control since it is telling someone it is better for them to die than to all to receive medical treatment. It is called Euthanasia. Euthanasia is one of the methods the population control advocate use to eliminate people they do not believe belong in society.

Euthaniasia = Murder
Abortion = Infanticide
Contraception = Infanticide.

All are the techniques of the Population Control advocate and, no matter how the Relativists try to spin it, they are murder and are wrong. :mad:
 
ribozyme said:
You will probably say it is better to let her die than to provide increased funding for a public health program by increasing taxes as that is the worst transgression of any government. So, how will she get treatment (since she presumably does not have much income) under a “free-market” scheme?
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If Ted Turner won’t help her, she should apply to Catholic Charities.
 
They took all the condom stuff off the websites, and so on, even though every scientist knows that we have too many people and that we should be reducing population size and that it’s good for people, and women in particular, and for the environment to have smaller families and to save lives and AIDS. And they took it away. They reinstituted the Mexico policy that Ronald Reagan, his great hero, put in that’s killed hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of women already. - Paul Ehrlich
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democracynow.org/2007/9/6/fmr_secretary_of_state_george_shultz
 
vz71 said:
I am sorry, but you have lost me…
What has this to do with the arguments posed in your original posts?
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Gee… I thought material from Paul Ehrlich was germane to the issue of population control.
 
Perhaps, it can be viewed that way. But you have not given any more evidence one way or the other. So what exactly does this quote have to do with you original suppositions?
The point remains confusing.

All you have done is point out someone that believes too many people are alive. This neither contributes or detracts from the argument.

At present, I am not at all convinced that you believe these theories you have thrown out.
 
All I know is that “population control” or “population reduction” is evil. The abortionists and those who support birth control probably love those terms. :(:rolleyes:
 
ribozyme said:
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I am coming out of the closest as I openly count myself as a advocate of population control. I support population control because I count myself as a “green.” Hopefully, the taboo on population control will not last when peak oil takes its toll. I expect population control to make a comeback as a popular “green” issue. I want to ensure the prosperity of humanity in the long run, and I find it difficult to improve the average quality of life of the people of the world if there are a few more billion.
Many environmentalists privately support population control. I wonder if they will have the audacity to come out of the closet.

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Since your opinion is diametrically opposed to the teaching of the Church, I am assuming that you are either a nonCatholic or a fallen away Catholic Christian.
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peary said:
Since your opinion is diametrically opposed to the teaching of the Church, I am assuming that you are either a nonCatholic or a fallen away Catholic Christian.
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Have you looked at his profile?

Religion: godless liberal / green

From the posts of his that I have read in other threads, that seems to be a very accurate description.
 
ribozyme said:
So what is hypocritical about care about the environment and the sustainability of the human race?
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It’s arrogant to assume that we know what the earth is capable of sustaining. The earth was made for mankind, not the other way around.
ribozyme said:
And people who do advocate population control are willing to commit suicide.
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I’ll be happy to join them - provided they go first, of course…😉
Fitswimmer said:
So we just throw up our hands and let them starve? We don’t try to help?
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We did that in Iraq, remember? It takes military action to get the food to the people, or else the govt. takes it for themselves.
Ted_in_Charlott said:
That’s why we have term limits. :rotfl:
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Yeah. Right. I take it you’ve never been to one of these countries, or you wouldn’t be quite so flippant about this.
 
I would humbly like to suggest that the answer to the population ‘problem’ is… more people. More people = exponentially more solutions + more people = greater ability to put those solutions into action

I think the math works.
 
brycelaliberte said:
I would humbly like to suggest that the answer to the population ‘problem’ is… more people. More people = exponentially more solutions + more people = greater ability to put those solutions into action

I think the math works.
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Why not advocate eugenics programs or development of nootropics if you want to increase intelligence to solve these problems?
Perhaps, it can be viewed that way. But you have not given any more evidence one way or the other. So what exactly does this quote have to do with you original suppositions?
The point remains confusing.
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I think a major die-off is a possibility. What makes you think that I really do not believe in that. However, I cannot say a die-off will happen with complete certitude because we might acquire the ability to economically harness solar energy or manipulate matter to replace scarce metals (carbon nanotubes might be promising.) But, it is also possible that may not happen… if it does not happen too many people will be chasing too few resources and war will be the inevitable outcome. I might be deluding myself by thinking that technology might save us because it is already too late. For me, it seems that some of the necessary “pieces” are available, but we are currently lacking long terms solutions. I am not optimistic about the short and medium term though.

summaries of these views can be found at www.dieoff.org and www.warsocialism.com

www.dieoff.org is an excellent educational website.
 
QUOTE FROM SOMEONE ON PAGE 6 I THINK.Weeeellll… someone has to guard all them Snickers bars…and since I don’t really like them…

'Tain’t NO way NO how I’m moving to Texas. It’s full of scorpions and Gila monsters and poisonous snakes and heat and really big belt buckles.

And what happens if I don’t remember the Alamo?

I haven’t laughed nearly enough lately. Thank you sooooo much. You are cracking me up.

Don’t worry about remembering the Alamo. We are due to have another one soon whether we remember or not.
See you there. Oh, I forgot, you are afraid of Gila monsters.
 
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Re: The green issue that dare not speak its name
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State denies cancer treatment, offers suicide instead
‘To say, we’ll pay for you to die, but not pay for you to live, it’s cruel’

State officials have offered a lung cancer patient the option of having the Oregon Health Plan, set up in 1994 to ration health care, pay for an assisted suicide but not for the chemotherapy prescribed by her physician.

The story appears to be a happy ending for Barbara Wagner, who has been notified by a drug manufacturer that it will provide the expensive medication, estimated to cost $4,000 a month, for the first year and then allow her to apply for further treatment, according to a report in the Eugene Register-Guard.

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Another example of the Population Control’s out of control behavior.
Holy Guardian Angels, guide us.
Holy Mary, Queen of the Angels, pray for us.
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This is what will happen the majority of time if the wrong people have their way about our health plan. Look and listen to people with socialized health plans in England and Canada. The State will be deciding who gets health care, and how they are treated, and for how long. People will be euthanized left and right, because, of course, the State will pay for that. But they will not pay for the treatments that will help a person to live. The State doesn’t see individuals, they see numbers. Just go to a State office, and see what I am talking about. I believe we need health care reform, starting with Tort reform. We can fix these problems if we just use the Common Sense which God has given us. If we put our health and lives in the hands of buracracy, we will lose even more of the value and dignity of our lives.
 
Everyone in here seems to be forgetting that it is GOD Who controls the world and everything on it, not us. Not trusting in Him is what constitutes the mess we are in today.
 
ribozyme said:
I think a major die-off is a possibility. What makes you think that I really do not believe in that.
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Easy.
Given the way you have spoken of the topic in this thread and others, one could readily understand that you believe it wholeheartedly.
This “possibility” is the first many here have ever heard you question the certitude of these theories.

However, you hinged your suicide on an IF to the entire theory.

So much for your faithfulness in the topic.
You either believe it or you do not. You do not, else you would no longer be here.

You are either not being honest with yourself or you are not being honest with the people on this board.
 
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