The Growth of Islam in Europe

  • Thread starter Thread starter Dempsey1919
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Muzhik said:
Shalom, all!

I have read a study (whose link I can’t find now – I’ll work on that) that showed the role of Muslims in a society based on the percentage of Muslims within that society. The upshot was that as long as Muslims are less than 10% of the population, you have the stereotypical “good Muslim” – pays taxes, plays well with others, etc. When the population gets above 15%, though, problems begin with attempts to form separate (but equal) legal systems within the host country and agitation for recognition and official tolerance for their rights. When the population gets above 25%, thats when violence begins.

As for Muslims being just under 3% in the UK, that may be true for the UK as a whole. What about the areas or neighborhoods where the Muslim population has reached above 10%, or above 20%? Haven’t there been cases in the UK (in areas that have had a growth in Muslim population) of Christian churches coming under physical attack? What about the areas in Paris that have become “no-go zones” for police?

<><
Click to expand...
I seem to remember a link, I’ll try to find it, which suggests that whenever a critical mass of American conservatives is gathered together on a forum, the propensity to produce ridiculous threads about Muslims can reach near infinity.
 
Kaninchen said:
A more important question might be: “How many threads on this subject are necessary per week?”
Click to expand...
actually i also posted a thread named WHAT SHOULD WE DO?i think its very important for christian world.we should be carefull.western extrem democrasy will be harm for western.muslim’s birth rate is very high.some ppl convert to islam for so called love.so slowly but surely muslims will take west.then where we will go?
 
Kaninchen said:
This is not a European problem, it’s an American problem.
Click to expand...
I am confused. My question was a simple one: can mainland Europe be the one place where a large Muslim Minority can assimilate into the larger culture without pain?

Was it an American problem when the Hagia Sophia was turned into a Mosque and the art destroyed? Or when the Taliban destroyed the old statues of Buddha? If history is any proof, we should pull art out of Europe of it ever becomes a Muslim-dominated area and take as many pictures as possible of the cathedrals.
 
Muzhik said:
As for Muslims being just under 3% in the UK, that may be true for the UK as a whole. What about the areas or neighborhoods where the Muslim population has reached above 10%, or above 20%? Haven’t there been cases in the UK (in areas that have had a growth in Muslim population) of Christian churches coming under physical attack? What about the areas in Paris that have become “no-go zones” for police?

<><
Click to expand...
I live in one of those areas. I can tell you that attacks of those kind are very rare. Most of those attacks have little to do with Islam and more to do with teenagers and young men acting like idiots.
 
LDNCatholic said:
I live in one of those areas. I can tell you that attacks of those kind are very rare. Most of those attacks have little to do with Islam and more to do with teenagers and young men acting like idiots.
Click to expand...
i believe that british muslims of pakistani and indian background have largely assimilated to their host country whereas turkish immigrants in germany have not. so it would be a mistake to generalize about all muslim immigrants being “unassimilatable” (if that’s even a word).
 
tomarin said:
i believe that british muslims of pakistani and indian background have largely assimilated to their host country whereas turkish immigrants in germany have not. so it would be a mistake to generalize about all muslim immigrants being “unassimilatable” (if that’s even a word).
Click to expand...
I agree, it is very much a mistake, just as it is a mistake to assume that 3% of the population being Muslim indicates that the UK is over run with AK-toting Al Qaeda supporting, church burning, freedom denying fanatics.
 
I do think that Kaninchen is right: a certain amount of this is alarmist media, especially in the US. That said, there are a lot more Muslims in Europe today than there were 60 years ago.
 
ralphinal said:
I do think that Kaninchen is right: a certain amount of this is alarmist media, especially in the US. That said, there are a lot more Muslims in Europe today than there were 60 years ago.
Click to expand...
There are also a lot more Europeans methinks.
 
ralphinal said:
True, true, but do radical Europeans want to get rid of traditional European culture and art?
Click to expand...
Nope. Then again radicals of Europeans descent that have something in common with the Muslim radicals are fairly scary too. Though their goals are often (not always) more rooted in race than religion.
 
LDNCatholic said:
Nope. Then again radicals of Europeans descent that have something in common with the Muslim radicals are fairly scary too. Though their goals are often (not always) more rooted in race than religion.
Click to expand...
Agreed.
 
I guess one should look at the Middle East and see what is happening to countries that were Christian in majority to see the picture. As to the Jews, well the latest call i heard is that Muslims will annihilate the Jews as per the Quranic hadith which says that even the rocks will cry : here’s a Jew so kill him! and in here they are working on it, even promising it…with such a mentality and sick ideology, no wonder i will not feel at ease with such people even if there are among them very “nice” Muslims. Islam is an ideology and if Muhammad said annihilate the Jews, they will try their best…and if Muhammad said kill those who do not believe in Allah and his prophet even among Christians and Jews untill Islam is established, they will do it. Its time to wake up and differentiate between some nice Muslims and Islamic ideologies.
 
brother inJESUS i agree with you.and i am also scared.truely&surely but slowly muslims are going to capture western country.but the western seculars couldn’t imagine that.then where christian will go.shariah law is a law of beast(ya its 666 of revealation).it will destroy ppl.jesus save us from the beast!
 
don’t worry Morning Star…sharia will not succeed…its not even applied in most Muslim countries 😉 for them to overrule the laws in different countries, there must be wars before because neither Christians will accept nor secularists nor athesist nor anyone except Muslims…and hence they’ll be at war with the major powers in the world and almost all non-Muslims.
 
and we should not forget the Shia Sunni conflict represented by Iran and SA…their politics and power seeking are different, if not at times opposite…if we Christians leave Lebanon for example, Sunni and Shia will annihilate each others because both want power. And do not forget the $$$ that most Arabic countries are loosers because of it that they cannot even save their Muslims in Palestine…So things are not in black and white…there are too many shades involved.
 
brother inJESUS my country bangladesh also didn’t take sharia law but ppl here very sensitive about islam.no 1 can talk anything against islam recent days.&u r correct war will begin.but then?surely west will divide piece by piece.like india divided.christians didn’t divided india but muslims.then again the divided wast will be secular again then again muslim will enter then again it will divide.then again…i am really afraid.remember the past
 
ralphinal said:
I am confused. My question was a simple one: can mainland Europe be the one place where a large Muslim Minority can assimilate into the larger culture without pain?

Was it an American problem when the Hagia Sophia was turned into a Mosque and the art destroyed? Or when the Taliban destroyed the old statues of Buddha? If history is any proof, we should pull art out of Europe of it ever becomes a Muslim-dominated area and take as many pictures as possible of the cathedrals.
Click to expand...
My suggestion that it was an ‘American problem’ rather than a ‘European problem’ was about the perception that there is a serious problem in the first place.

Hundreds of millions of the really nice people who recently brought the world such gems as ‘Shoah’ and ‘Liquidation of the Kulaks as a Class’ have a few Muslims around - a tiny proportion of whom might prove to be a problem.

Meanwhile, groups of American conservatives, many of whom would be hard pressed to find Europe on a map, never mind name more than a couple of European countries get terribly excited about it on a message board.

Whose problem is it?
 
thats why i posted a thread about crusade.i claimed that crusade wasn’t unfair.ya i am believe that.cuz if crusaders were able to take our lands from muslims!it would be good for us.but they couldn’t.actually seculars address crusade as inhuman.see that they support islamic bigotry cuz its the personal law of muslims.but if a christian want to follow their religion then they address us as bigot.for them wat muslim do all is ok&wat we do r al bad!
 
thanks brother inJESUS for you suggestion.god bless you and me and all ppl.and save us always.AMEN
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top