the habitual use of extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion at Mass

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WOuld you say that 1000-1200 is a large group of communicants? I thin this is a situation where the precious blood shoud not be offered. The vatican has spoken on this very subject in Redemptionis Sacramentum.

102. The chalice should not be ministered to lay members of Christ’s faithful where there is such a large number of communicants189 that it is difficult to gauge the amount of wine for the Eucharist and there is a danger that “more than a reasonable quantity of the Blood of Christ remains to be consumed at the end of the celebration.”190 The same is true wherever access to the chalice would be difficult to arrange, or where such a large amount of wine would be required that its certain provenance and quality could only be known with difficulty, or wherever there is not an adequate number of sacred ministers or extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion with proper formation, or where a notable part of the people continues to prefer not to approach the chalice for various reasons, so that the sign of unity would in some sense be negated.
Maybe I’m wrong in this thinking but here goes anyway

With the distribution of the hosts the EM’s have to touch the host with their hands so I try very hard not to use the EM when receiving.
With the Cup the EM does not touch the Blood of Jesus in the process of distribution so I will take from the EM.

Fine line but my line a personal decision.
 
Brenda, I hope you have a website for your parish. Could you pm me for that? our parish just built the website and we need new ideas especially on the designing part. We have yet found a web designer. Thanks!

About holding hands. I used not to think of it; I didn’t care much about it until I came to this very forum. What happened next is that I got bothered when came to “Our Father” prayer because I’ve become aware of what people are doing. Now, when praying I just close my eyes and ask God to help me focus on praying instead of what others are doing. I am not trying to avoid the problem or abuses, I am trying not to let this thing defeat the purpose of what I come to mass for. It isn’t nice when you allow yourself to be bothered.
There is a website but it is “under construction” right now. I will PM it to you though so you can at least see a little bit of what is there (it is not up to date either).

As far as the hand holding and the lady bothering me, she really didn’t except for that little bit where she tried to get my attention and then she wouldn’t even make eye-contact with me at the sign of peace (she was sitting right next to me, no reason not to shake hands at least). It was the first time in a long time I have had someone try to grab my hand when praying the Our Father.

Merry Christmas everyone - it is snowing here in the High Desert!

Brenda V.
 
Just an update. Since I am curious about how fast my parish grows and how accurate my guess was. Today, I met one of the deacons who knows about the # of parishioners attending mass. He said that the most crowded mass is the one at 9:00am; there are normally around 1,500 attending for this mass. The one at 11:30, which is my favorite one, is about 1,000 attending.

Average for 7 masses including the Saturday evening mass is around 800 attending.

Right now, the numbers of new families registering to our parish is 15 families per week. That is a big number - I think.
 
Just an update. Since I am curious about how fast my parish grows and how accurate my guess was. Today, I met one of the deacons who knows about the # of parishioners attending mass. He said that the most crowded mass is the one at 9:00am; there are normally around 1,500 attending for this mass. The one at 11:30, which is my favorite one, is about 1,000 attending.

Average for 7 masses including the Saturday evening mass is around 800 attending.

Right now, the numbers of new families registering to our parish is 15 families per week. That is a big number - I think.
Gee, you would think with the “open border” policy we are experiencing, at least some priests would cross over too:rolleyes: and help out.
 
With so many deacons you’d think they, and the second priest, could come in near the end of the mass to help distribute Holy Communion. I remember reading in the Vatican directives somewhere that it is better for an ordained minister to come in part-way through mass than to use an EMHC. At the cathedral in my city EMHC are almost never used. Rather one or more additional priests come in at just the right moment to help distribute. The cathedral has 6-7 masses on Sunday and 4 masses every day of the week, and gets by with almost no EMHCs. Of course the chalice is not distributed…and receiving at the altar rail is always an option :).
On a side note, 5 deacons in one parish amazes me! I’m in British Columbia, Canada and between five dioceses we have 3 permanent deacons…I don’t know why, but for some reason the diaconate hasn’t caught on in very many places outside of the US and Italy (based on global statistics I’ve seen).
 
With so many deacons you’d think they, and the second priest, could come in near the end of the mass to help distribute Holy Communion.
Maybe the deacons’ jobs make it impossible for them to be at every Mass. At my mother’s old parish, the deacon was a policeman. He was not able to be at Mass when he was working.
 
If you ever get a chance to attend a chrism mass do so. All the priests from the diocese were at the one we had yesterday and we the seminarians got to be altar servers. Communion was hectic with the sheer number of communicants at the Cathedral (and now a minor Basilica) but no need for EMs when more than half of the diocese’s priests are in attendance.

As far as EMs regularly, I don’t enjoy the brigade that walks up there. I really think if a more extensive use of the deaconate in the Church became common practice then the EM issue would die away. Of course, I think a greater problem lies in the fact that women have limited roles at the altar and would not be willing to give this one up. Of course, my theology teacher did say that there have been female deacons in the Church in the early days. Of course the real question is if they were ordained deacons or otherwise. If the Church, in Her wisdom (and I don’t see it but I never say never when the Church makes pronouncements about things I can’t possibly fully understand,) and if it is within Her authority, says women have been ordained deacons then I think the issue would come to rest. I just don’t see the Church saying that (because I don’t believe it ever happened, but like I said, I don’t really know.)
 
On a side note, 5 deacons in one parish amazes me! I’m in British Columbia, Canada and between five dioceses we have 3 permanent deacons…I don’t know why, but for some reason the diaconate hasn’t caught on in very many places outside of the US and Italy (based on global statistics I’ve seen).
So true. We have no deacons in the 3 dioceses of NL (at least that’s what the official website reports) and in the 4 Atlantic provinces there are only 30, 24 of them in the diocese of Halifax.

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My church overuses EMs like during a weekday Mass where we have 12-15 people. Also, one time we did not have any EMs but we did have our 12-15 people and the priest put the chalice on the altar and instructed us to help ourselves while he gave communion. This seems to be an abuse.
 
My church overuses EMs like during a weekday Mass where we have 12-15 people.
Same here plus at least six EMs were scheduled at every Sunday Mass whether they were needed or not. I was a EM at the time the document came out about the abuse and I spoke to the woman in charge of the EMs and the pastoral associate in charge of the Liturgy. Nothing changed. So figuring that I could only be responsible for my own actions, I quit. (It may take a bunch of that happening before something is changed.)
 
Seems to be a contradiction here:

People will sit for hours watching TV, movies, or a football game. They’ll go to the mall at 4:00am on Black Friday and wait for hours for a bargain.

But they insist that obeying the Vatican on the elimination of EMHCs will cause mass to be too long.

Do we think God is blind?
A few people will go to the mall and wait; since the mall is not a particularly large gathering place, it may seem that there is a hugh number of people. And given the proportion of active Catholics to the general population there are probably relatively few Catholics who are doing this. In short, your example is not one to make any impact on the discussion.

Further, there is the old saying that hard cases make bad law. You may wish to have an hour and a half or two hour Mass each Sunday, but physical limitations of the parish itself indicate that a Sunday Mass between 45 minutes and an hour is pretty much universally the norm. In order to achieve that, it often is necessary to use EMHCs. If you wish to make any impact at all on the issue, you need to read the entire regulations concerning EMHC in their contect, ane not simply pull out the part that appeals most to you.

I do not suggest that there are no occasions in which EMHCs are used unnecessarily. But it is not your issue to decide, only to complain about.
 
If we never started (ab)using EMHC’s in the first place we may have had more priests.

I heard once that in Ruthenian Churches the guidelines for EMHC’s are 1 EMHC for every 75 people.
Show me one individual who decided to not go to the seminary because of EMHCs. Please. Just one.

EHHCs are not the issue. A world of secualrism, materialism, individualism and all the impact those have on Catholics, coupled with the massive dumbing down of catechesis from the 70’s through the 80’s has a whale of a lot more to do with the lack of priests. The predominant area in the world where the Church is experiencing an increas in vocations is Africa - which insterestingly is not particularly affected by those three issues.
 
the post that says one rosary a day keeps satan awayis the one we should be paying attention to.
 
@ twf : We have a fair amount of deacons around the island of Montreal (english sector - I’m not too certain about the majority french sector). Our sister parish has 4 deacons serving.

I attend the daily Mass at my home parish 3 days a week, On other days ( which includes Friday ,Saturday, Sunday ), my apostolate requires me to serve (volunteer) as a lay assistant to the chaplain in a large palliative care institution. One of my duties is to help distribute Holy Communion to the sick and dying, both during Mass and outside of Mass. There is a legitimate need here for an EMHC. It’s even more important to know the needs of the patients here because some are blind, some are deaf, some can only consume a fragment of the Blessed Eucharist…others only a crumb, and others can’t swallow at all (they’re kept alive by a tube that runs food directly to their stomach).

For the last 8 of the 12 years that I’ve been involved in this apostolate, I’ve also been serving as a special skills lay assistant to a priest/patient (Père Georges A… - O.S.M.) who is half paralyzed from a stroke and who suffers from parkinsons. He only has one hand/arm which functions and it isn’t 100% . So he isn’t able to celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass by himself. As the illness takes its course, we’ve worked and prayed our way around all the obstacles which threatened to stop him from celebrating Mass.

At my home parish I would never serve as an EMHC (during the weekday Masses) because most of the time, there isn’t really a need. Holy Communion during the week is distributed under both species in two lines, ie : two chalices and two ciboria [or the presider’s paten and one ciborium], therefore a priest and 3 EMHC’s. Sometimes there may be only30 - 40 people attending Mass but they don’t change the format.

The EMHC’s do not sit in the pews adjacent to the sanctuary area during Mass. Instead, they are called up (the sacristan gives them a hand signal) from the general seating near the end of the Agnus Dei, while some of the faithful are still moving around looking for someone else to give the sign of distract…er peace to.

This moving of the EMHC’s towards the santcuary, in turn, sparks an early exodus of certain of the faithful to form the line for reception of Holy Communion even before we get to the “Lord I am not worthy…” . There isn’t anything really nice I can add here except maybe that I pray much better at this point in the Mass with my eyes closed.

To try to demonstrate how this wide variety of duties effets me personally:
Because I can be handling the Blessed Sacrament frequently ( it used to be for up to 8 hours at a time on occasion when visiting the sick), I prefer to personally receive on the tongue, just as a little reminder to our Lord that I acknowledge who He is, that I love Him, and also to beg him that handling Him doesn’t ever become a routine, to ask forgiveness for any times I haven’t remained conscious of His presence while between patients, etc.

When serving with Père Georges, it is too much to ask him to place Holy Communion on my tongue so I receive in the hand. For all the chaplains who are willing, when I have to distribute Holy Communion to the sick within Mass, I always ask the chaplain to bless my hands first.

I also used to have an issue with receiving Holy Communion from an EMHC rather than a priest. But there came certain things with the apostolate that changed me. On occasion, for example, Père Georges is not able with one hand to break off a fragment of the Host to be placed in the cup. In these instances, I’ve had to steady the Host on the paten with one finger so he could break off a fragment. This one necessary action makes me feel like the smallest most unworthy person in the world. I can’t explain why… and it doesn’t seem to matter how many times I wash my hands before we celebrate the Mass or even if I’ve just been to Confession…the feeling is always the same and a lump wells up in my throat, it feels like I’m so aware of God’s presence in the Host at that particular moment that I could almost die.

Receiving Holy Communion is a very personal thing and we are known to be extremely sensitive in this area. So I wouldn’t want to influence any one else’s decision re receiving from EMHC and orained MHC one way or the other. As one who has gone through the struggle I might offer a little food for thought for anyone else struggling with it : Learn the difference between an abuse and desecration of the Blessed Sacrament; because they are not the same, and because whatever decision you feel you need to make will be an informed one.

God Bless all who post on and visit this thread.
 
Why would anyone refuse to receive our Lord just because who is distributing it? The Eucharist is the Eucharist no matter who distributes it. To not receive in such a situation is making a political statement and has no place in the celebration of the Eucharist.
I haven’t been to the Novus Ordo in so long, that the EMCH’s or whatever look really jarring.

I would only go to the priest. Then again, I’d go to an SSPX Chapel before I went to the Novus Ordo, unless it was the Novus Ordo at a very traditional Church (think EWTN).
 
How many do you think they should have so that there will be no abuses?
Zero. The EMHC’s provide a vital service to God- taking communion to people who can’t make it to Mass.
 
If you ever get a chance to attend a chrism mass do so. All the priests from the diocese were at the one we had yesterday and we the seminarians got to be altar servers. Communion was hectic with the sheer number of communicants at the Cathedral (and now a minor Basilica) but no need for EMs when more than half of the diocese’s priests are in attendance.

As far as EMs regularly, I don’t enjoy the brigade that walks up there. I really think if a more extensive use of the deaconate in the Church became common practice then the EM issue would die away. Of course, I think a greater problem lies in the fact that women have limited roles at the altar and would not be willing to give this one up. Of course, my theology teacher did say that there have been female deacons in the Church in the early days. Of course the real question is if they were ordained deacons or otherwise. If the Church, in Her wisdom (and I don’t see it but I never say never when the Church makes pronouncements about things I can’t possibly fully understand,) and if it is within Her authority, says women have been ordained deacons then I think the issue would come to rest. I just don’t see the Church saying that (because I don’t believe it ever happened, but like I said, I don’t really know.)
Deaconesses were active even in the Latin Church up until recently.

They ministered to women. They didn’t participate in the Liturgy like deacons do.

In the Orthodox Churches, a deaconess is its own role. It’s not that of a “female deacon.”
 
Show me one individual who decided to not go to the seminary because of EMHCs. Please. Just one.

EHHCs are not the issue. A world of secualrism, materialism, individualism and all the impact those have on Catholics, coupled with the massive dumbing down of catechesis from the 70’s through the 80’s has a whale of a lot more to do with the lack of priests. The predominant area in the world where the Church is experiencing an increas in vocations is Africa - which insterestingly is not particularly affected by those three issues.
At my EF only parish, we have around 300-500 faithful for the Solemn High Mass, more for Holy Days, and we have around 200 on first Fridays (that means 200 people, many teenagers and young adults, at Mass on a Friday night).We have 4-6 priests distributing communion. There are too many seminarians and altar boys to count. The Institute’s seminaries are so full to the brim, that they actually turn down most candidates. Fortunately, they are expanding seminaries.

We have a children’s choir that regularly sings works by Palestrina, and have a full orchestra at least once a month. We have a daily Low Mass, a Low Mass on Sunday, a Solemn High Mass on Sundays, a High Mass on Tuesdays, Adoration and Benediction on two nights of the week.

We have the record on the most confessions for the whole Archdiocese.

And to think, 4 years ago this parish was closed…

Come to my traditional parish and then tell me that these ordinary parishes are doing things better.

Pray the Archbishop Burke is made a cardinal…
 
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