The hierarchy of the Church

[superamazingman]

FOUND IT! The title, that is. “THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF CHRIST CONCERNING HIMSELF AND HIS MISSION”, 1985, The International Theological Commission. I just found the title on the Vatican website, but it seems that the document is only available in Latin, Spanish and Italian! However, I know for sure that I read it in English while doing research for a Christology class in the 90’s. Now I will try to find where I located it in English! IT IS THE BEST AND MOST RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION ON THE SUBJECT!

Here is the google translation from the italian page:
translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_1985_coscienza-gesu_it.html

and of the spanish:
translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vatican.va%2Froman_curia%2Fcongregations%2Fcfaith%2Fcti_documents%2Frc_cti_1985_coscienza-gesu_sp.html

and also of the latin:
translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=la&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vatican.va%2Froman_curia%2Fcongregations%2Fcfaith%2Fcti_documents%2Frc_cti_1985_coscienza-gesu_lt.html

From looking at one or all of these, you should be able to get a very good sense of what it’s saying, until you find a real translation.

 

[opus101]

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_index-doc-pubbl_en.html

Above is the link to the document I mentioned.

 

[opus101]

Here is the google translation from the italian page:
translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_1985_coscienza-gesu_it.html

and of the spanish:
translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vatican.va%2Froman_curia%2Fcongregations%2Fcfaith%2Fcti_documents%2Frc_cti_1985_coscienza-gesu_sp.html

and also of the latin:
translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=la&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vatican.va%2Froman_curia%2Fcongregations%2Fcfaith%2Fcti_documents%2Frc_cti_1985_coscienza-gesu_lt.html

From looking at one or all of these, you should be able to get a very good sense of what it’s saying, until you find a real translation.

YAY! Thanks, amazingman!

 

[opus101]

If anyone can get to a university library that carries the periodical “Communio,” I think that is where I found the English translation.

 

[pnewton]

Jesus spoke of the mustard seed and the resulting bush. Will people deny the trunk, the branches, the leaves of the bush, because they can’t see them in the seed?? That is what it’s like when people try to reject the Church structure because “it ain’t in the Bible”…

I think that is a good analogy. I have always erred on the side of God’s unity probably because I see God being treated too much like a Pantheon. In your analogy, we have the same God who planted the seed at Ceasaria pruning the tree over two milleninia.