The Homosexual Agenda

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Catholics are happy to accept the Church position that homosexuals are to be regarded with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. That is what our Lord Jesus Christ would do.

However, I would like to know how Catholics in this forum view U.S. organizations like GLSEN, The David Bohnett Foundation, The Human Rights Campaign, and even one that calls itself Catholics for Equality. The agenda of these organizations clearly promote same sex marriage and beyond, with approaches that range from liberal to militant.

Please state your view(s). Do you think that it is only a matter of time when the forces pushing the homosexual agenda would be successful in revamping morals altogether and society as we know it?

For those who wish to read CAF’s excellent and full discussion on homosexuality, see here.

Links to mentioned organizations for your quick reference:
glsen.org/cgi-bin/iowa/all/about/history/index.html
bohnettfoundation.org/
hrc.org/about_us/index1.html
catholicsforequality.org/page/freedom-marry
 
InSearchofGrace said:
Do you think that it is only a matter of time when the forces pushing the homosexual agenda would be successful in revamping morals altogether and society as we know it?
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If you are asking will same sex marriage pass, the answer is absolutely yes. It will be the law of the land from sea to shining sea. Sorry.
 
InSearchofGrace said:
Catholics are happy to accept the Church position that homosexuals are to be regarded with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. That is what our Lord Jesus Christ would do.

However, I would like to know how Catholics in this forum view U.S. organizations like GLSEN, The David Bohnett Foundation, The Human Rights Campaign, and even one that calls itself Catholics for Equality. The agenda of these organizations clearly promote same sex marriage and beyond, with approaches that range from liberal to militant.

Please state your view(s). Do you think that it is only a matter of time when the forces pushing the homosexual agenda would be successful in revamping morals altogether and society as we know it?

For those who wish to read CAF’s excellent and full discussion on homosexuality, see here.

Links to mentioned organizations for your quick reference:
glsen.org/cgi-bin/iowa/all/about/history/index.html
bohnettfoundation.org/
hrc.org/about_us/index1.html
catholicsforequality.org/page/freedom-marry
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I could say that it is the Catholic agenda to stop homosexuals from getting married.
 
The question is rhetorical as you imply the answer in the question. Yes, you recognize that Catholics do not hate the sinner, but the sin. You just did not complete the inquiry by including “the sin” part.
Therefore, the answer to your question is clearly the Catholic layperson can not support any of the organization you list, as they advocate for “the sin”.

No, same sex marriage will not become the law of the land. It has been voted down by the populace everywhere some liberal judge has initiated it.
 
Julian0404 said:
No, same sex marriage will not become the law of the land. It has been voted down by the populace everywhere some liberal judge has initiated it.
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With all due respect, you are delusional.

When my grandfather was my age, homosexuals stayed in the closet yet they face severe consequences.

When my father was my age, they were more out, but the idea of gay marriage was so ridiculous that it wasn’t even up for discussion.

Today, it’s controversial, but it is being discussed, and in some cases, passed.

By the time a child born today is my age, he or she probably won’t even realize it was once controversial.

Strong opposition to gay marriage is highest in the 50+ crowd. The under 30 crowd is strongly in favor of it. As those opposed die off, they are being replaced by someone in favor of it.

It is inevitable. It WILL happen. It’s only a matter of time.
 
What’s wrong with the homosexual agenda? A group of people fighting for equal rights.

The only reason most Catholics object to gay marriage is religion. Yet do we intend to pass laws to outlaw contraception (actually, that’s a legitimate question)? How about not attending Mass on Sunday? How about making Christianity mandatory for citizenship?

And I agree with gay marriage legalization-just as interracial marriage was once controversial and is now accepted, the same thing will happen with gay marriage. Progress.
 
InSearchofGrace said:
Catholics are happy to accept the Church position that homosexuals are to be regarded with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. That is what our Lord Jesus Christ would do.

However, I would like to know how Catholics in this forum view U.S. organizations like GLSEN, The David Bohnett Foundation, The Human Rights Campaign, and even one that calls itself Catholics for Equality. The agenda of these organizations clearly promote same sex marriage and beyond, with approaches that range from liberal to militant.

Please state your view(s). Do you think that it is only a matter of time when the forces pushing the homosexual agenda would be successful in revamping morals altogether and society as we know it?

For those who wish to read CAF’s excellent and full discussion on homosexuality, see here.

Links to mentioned organizations for your quick reference:
glsen.org/cgi-bin/iowa/all/about/history/index.html
bohnettfoundation.org/
hrc.org/about_us/index1.html
catholicsforequality.org/page/freedom-marry
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There is a well defined social engineering project going on. However, it will not last. As someone else posted here: “we want to do what we want with our genitals.” The question then is, who’s stopping you? Those who speak for gay rights generally mean gay marriage. If this continues, gay sex will be institutionalized. The goal is indifference. Already, gay divorce is occurring. It is documented that, unlike heterosexuals, gay married couples can have boyfriends. One gay man wrote that he is in “an ethical nonmonogomous relationship.”

The puzzle is this: Why do proponents of gay marriage post here? There is no need to get anyone’s permission to do whatever they want. Voters in California turned gay marriage down twice. But it did not matter because that was not the outcome desired by advocates.

Nothing is inevitable. Catholics, both gay and straight, simply need to give no material support to advocates of gay marriage. Some parents are home schooling and living good examples to their children.

Like the Roman Empire, this will fade.

God bless,
Ed
 
NicholasGH said:
What’s wrong with the homosexual agenda? A group of people fighting for equal rights.

The only reason most Catholics object to gay marriage is religion. Yet do we intend to pass laws to outlaw contraception (actually, that’s a legitimate question)? How about not attending Mass on Sunday? How about making Christianity mandatory for citizenship?

And I agree with gay marriage legalization-just as interracial marriage was once controversial and is now accepted, the same thing will happen with gay marriage. Progress.
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Progress toward what? A black person is born with their skin color.

God bless,
Ed
 
Some believe homosexuality to be a genetic factor. Regardless. it is progress as laws prevent homosexuals from having equal rights.
 
NicholasGH said:
What’s wrong with the homosexual agenda? A group of people fighting for equal rights.

The only reason most Catholics object to gay marriage is religion. Yet do we intend to pass laws to outlaw contraception (actually, that’s a legitimate question)? How about not attending Mass on Sunday? How about making Christianity mandatory for citizenship?

And I agree with gay marriage legalization-just as interracial marriage was once controversial and is now accepted, the same thing will happen with gay marriage. Progress.
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Where do you draw the line?

When a pedophile wants to marry a child? How about marrying an animal?

Same sex marriage is not a civil rights issue.

Interracial marriage is an entirely different issue.

DEFEATING “GAY” ARGUMENTS WITH SIMPLE LOGIC
 
Seeker2010 said:
With all due respect, you are delusional.

When my grandfather was my age, homosexuals stayed in the closet yet they face severe consequences.

When my father was my age, they were more out, but the idea of gay marriage was so ridiculous that it wasn’t even up for discussion.

Today, it’s controversial, but it is being discussed, and in some cases, passed.

By the time a child born today is my age, he or she probably won’t even realize it was once controversial.

Strong opposition to gay marriage is highest in the 50+ crowd. The under 30 crowd is strongly in favor of it. As those opposed die off, they are being replaced by someone in favor of it.

It is inevitable. It WILL happen. It’s only a matter of time.
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It may happen, but in truth it is wrong and against GOD’S law and against natural law
( which of course you know is GOD’S law ). Just like many sins we become desensitized to the sin and as it becomes more prevalent we tolerate it and it becomes “normal”. This may come to pass in this country, but GOD will have the last word ( as HE had the first word ) and those of us that profess a belief in the Catholic Church but think that we can continue in our own truth will find that we have been left behind … that God in HIS infinite mercy will allow you your choice to be separated from HIM. I hope and pray that you will see the truth and abide by the teaching that our LORD Jesus taught and what the church continues to teach.
 
buffalo said:
Where do you draw the line?

When a pedophile wants to marry a child? How about marrying an animal?

Same sex marriage is not a civil rights issue.

Interracial marriage is an entirely different issue.

DEFEATING “GAY” ARGUMENTS WITH SIMPLE LOGIC
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This is ridiculous. A pedophile cannot marry a child because a child cannot consent. Same with an animal.

I have no moral issue with homosexual acts-so long as it is between two consenting adults. I do have an issue with pedophilia as it is almost always coerced, and even on the rare occasions it’s not, the child cannot consent.

Gay marriage is between two consenting adults-thus, no moral problem, thus, it should be legalized.

Furthermore, one of the greatest aspects of America is its separation of church and state. So until one can give an entirely secular reason for gay marriage, arguments against it have no merit whatsoever.
 
NicholasGH said:
This is ridiculous. A pedophile cannot marry a child because a child cannot consent. Same with an animal.

I have no moral issue with homosexual acts-so long as it is between two consenting adults. I do have an issue with pedophilia as it is almost always coerced, and even on the rare occasions it’s not, the child cannot consent.

Gay marriage is between two consenting adults-thus, no moral problem, thus, it should be legalized.
Furthermore, one of the greatest aspects of America is its separation of church and state. So until one can give an entirely secular reason for gay marriage, arguments against it have no merit whatsoever.
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Oh, it was a mistake to bring in the separation of church and state. The Constitution simply states that the government cannot force a particular religion on its people. It is a one way deal. Religion should and does influence government.

In case you didn’t know the Man Boy Love Association is petitioning for lowering the age of consent.

Is the homosexual act a violation of natural law?
 
I apologize, I’m not familiar with natural law. Could you please give me an explanation? Thank you!
 
buffalo said:
Religion should and does influence government.
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Religion has NO PLACE in civil law. That doesn’t mean any law that is a religious law has no place in civil law, taking it that far would mean laws against murder cannot be passed. That said, if the only reason for banning something is because ‘God said so’, and there are no legitimate secular reasons for it, the ban has no business happening.
 
A response I had to a similar post which applies here, also.

Once again, many Catholics siding with the world instead of following the Church. Too many Catholics being misled by so-called tolerance along with false compassion.

From then Cardinal Ratzinger in Consideration Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions Between Homosexual Persons.

“In other cases, they favour giving homosexual unions legal equivalence to marriage properly so-called, along with the legal possibility of adopting children…In those situations where homosexual unions have been legally recognized or have been given the legal status and rights belonging to marriage, clear and emphatic opposition is a duty. One must refrain from any kind of formal cooperation in the enactment or application of such gravely unjust laws and, as far as possible, from material cooperation on the level of their application. In this area, everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection.”

"If it is true that all Catholics are obliged to oppose the legal recognition of homosexual unions, Catholic politicians are obliged to do so in a particular way, in keeping with their responsibility as politicians. Faced with legislative proposals in favour of homosexual unions, Catholic politicians are to take account of the following ethical indications.

When legislation in favour of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic law-maker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favour of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral."

We are called as Catholics to oppose the homosexual agenda. But again, too many Catholics think they are wiser than the Church. Too many Catholics do not have the courage to fight for the beliefs of the Church, which are the beliefs of Jesus Christ, but are more than willing to accept other beliefs with tolerance. This is insanity.
 
Seeker2010 said:
Religion has NO PLACE in civil law. That doesn’t mean any law that is a religious law has no place in civil law, taking it that far would mean laws against murder cannot be passed. That said, if the only reason for banning something is because ‘God said so’, and there are no legitimate secular reasons for it, the ban has no business happening.
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Oh yes it does and has during the entire history of the US.

Laws or lack of them have ramifications on the common good. Morality should be reflected in a civilized society’s laws.
 
NicholasGH said:
What’s wrong with the homosexual agenda? A group of people fighting for equal rights.

The only reason most Catholics object to gay marriage is religion. Yet do we intend to pass laws to outlaw contraception (actually, that’s a legitimate question)? How about not attending Mass on Sunday? How about making Christianity mandatory for citizenship?

And I agree with gay marriage legalization-just as interracial marriage was once controversial and is now accepted, the same thing will happen with gay marriage. Progress.
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Your religion indicates that you are Catholic yet your thoughts indicate otherwise. Man’s laws are to be followed, but they should also follow God’s law. This does not always happen since we as humans want our own way … our own freedom. The Catholic Church teaches the truth yet many Catholics want to follow their own truth. Passing any law that does not conform to God’s law is wrong. This country was formed in part to have freedom of religion … not to have freedom from religion. Yet we are free to have no religion, if that is our desire. God asks of us to have a relationship with HIM . but we have taken our freewill to the level that we choose what we want and do not allow GOD to be part of our decisions. We can make any laws that we want , but in the end … GOD will show us the truth and the law. I hope and pray that you study the truth by reading the Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and praying that the HOLY SPIRIT will give you the Knowledge and wisdom that you need to see the truth.
 
buffalo said:
Oh yes it does and has during the entire history of the US.
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You are right. Historically, religion has had a large hand in forging the laws of this country. But those days are over.

Courts have found that laws based purely on religious principals are unconstitutional. Rightfully so.

Laws against homosexual acts were struck down as explicitly unconstitutional.

Laws against porn, sex toys, and buying liquor on Sunday were also, rightly, found explicitly unconstitutional.

The days of your religious agenda influencing civil law are for the most part over. And they’re never coming back. Thank God.
 
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