The Homosexual Agenda

[buffalo]

Ah, take a look at the numbers next to the statements in wikipedia sources. You can then visit the sources that wikipedia editors used, so you can asses their veracity for yourself.

I do realize that. The Church is a much better organization then it was when it signed the Reichskonkordat. My point was that the Church is a very, very, very fallible institution, so it seems preposterous to accept its teachings because it’s the Church.

Not so. The Catholic proposition is not always lived up to by fallible humans. The Church is a hospital for sinners. Everyone in it is a sinner. We take our body to the hospital for healing, we take our soul to the Church for healing.

The Church cannot err in matters of faith and morals. The Catholic Church alone possesses the “fullness of truth”.

 

[NicholasGH]

I think this discussion is pointless. We both have fundamental disagreements, so there is no use. I thank you for a respectful discussion, and I wish you well.

 

[havana1]

The Catholic Church teaches that SSA is disordered and the act intrinsically evil. The act is morally reprehensible.

If a cure for the tendency is found my bet is that company would make lots of money.

That’s not correct. The term “SSA” does not appear anywhere in the Catechism. Does it?

The Catechism does imply the scientific knowledge that homosexuals are born that way and you can’t become “ex-gay.”

 

[buffalo]

I think this discussion is pointless. We both have fundamental disagreements, so there is no use. I thank you for a respectful discussion, and I wish you well.

Cool. Be interested in the truth. Do not stop searching.

 

[havana1]

That’s not correct. The term “SSA” does not appear anywhere in the Catechism. Does it?

The Catechism does imply the scientific knowledge that homosexuals are born that way and you can’t become “ex-gay.”

Wow. I had no idea mentioning the Catechism would kill a thread so quickly. In what paragraph of the Catechism can I find the term “SSA”?

 

[buffalo]

Wow. I had no idea mentioning the Catechism would kill a thread so quickly. In what paragraph of the Catechism can I find the term “SSA”?

Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

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Now, do I support any of those groups you listed?

Do any of those groups support the teaching of the Church? No? Then how could any of us who call ourselves Catholic support them?

Do you think that it is only a matter of time when the forces pushing the homosexual agenda would be successful in revamping morals altogether and society as we know it?

Look at all of the people who claim to be Catholic on this message board who are deriding you. Consider this closely: they are not only cultural Catholics, but they actually take the time to find a Catholic apologetics board and take the time to post opinions that they know are in direct opposition to the clear and consistent teaching of the Church.

Personally, I think that the morals of society have already been revamped. And they won’t go back without direct divine intervention. Of course, we know that there will be that direct divine intervention at some point: the question only remains if that intervention will come in our lifetimes or not.

MarkOMalley, thanks for your thoughtful reply.

That was quite a number of positions fielded in 45 posts following my opening post of seven hours ago when I stepped away from my laptop. I am replying to yours, since it addresses the questions, the concerns I brought up.

It really makes me sad that less and less of the Church’s faithful remain true to her teachings. Men and women, God’s highest creations, made in His image, are occupied with matters of temporal value, not eternal life.

Like you, I am not in favor of the organizations I mentioned in the OP, including Catholics for Equality, because they advocate beliefs and behavior that are sinful.

And this country under the current President is moving decidedly in the direction against the law of God and nature by aligning itself with the homosexual agenda. Obama’s appointment in May 2009 of Kevin Jennings, founder of GLSEN, to the position of Assistant Deputy Secretary for the Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools at the U.S. Department of Education, is particularly troubling. He is the “safe schools” czar, a title that could make one have a serious bout of coughing. For those who missed the news about Kevin Jennings around December 2009, see here.

I wonder if the cynics, the cultural Catholics, those who do not find a problem with the homosexual agenda, could think that a person like Kevin Jennings should be in a position of power that our President bestowed on him. As far as I know, he has not been fired.

Another powerful and wealthy homosexual activist is David Bohnett, who has attacked Catholic and Mormon leaders, saying they are among his movement’s greatest adversaries. He and his allies are combating head-on religious organizations opposed to homosexual causes and are taking active measures against them. In addition, mainstream media is very much complicit in the goal by a powerful alliance which will see the day, sooner than later, when homosexuals are able to dictate their wants to have a changed society in accordance with its agenda. Mr. Bohnett praised a New York Times Magazine that ran an article about young people “coming out” as homosexuals in middle school.

I think this militancy is more than evil. Homosexuals are close enough to attaining the license to enter same sex marriage marriage, as one poster mentioned. Whether we like it or not, the ‘non-traditional’ has found its way into civil unions and creation of the family. Must they get in our schools and have control of our young children too?

God help us.

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[Holly3278]

Personally, I find it to be quite sickening the number of Catholics and other Christians out there who hope for the day when gay “marriage” is legalized across the entire United States and even the entire world!

For one thing, gay relations are not natural and it certainly isn’t natural for a gay couple to raise children either. And don’t sit here and tell me that it is natural because some animals engage in homosexual acts. Just because animals engage in homosexual acts doesn’t make it right or natural for humans. Some animals engage in cannibalism but that doesn’t make it right or natural for humans now does it?

That said, I’d personally be all for bringing back laws like the Comstock laws and laws that require most businesses to close on Sundays etc.

 

[markomalley]

MarkOMalley, thanks for your thoughtful reply.

That was quite a number of positions fielded in 45 posts following my opening post of seven hours ago when I stepped away from my laptop. I am replying to yours, since it addresses the questions, the concerns I brought up.

It really makes me sad that less and less of the Church’s faithful remain true to her teachings. Men and women, God’s highest creations, made in His image, are occupied with matters of temporal value, not eternal life.

You bring up a really good point that needs to be stressed again and again.

How much must these Catholics who support the “gay agenda,” as you call it, must actually hate those who have homosexual tendencies?

They want to encourage behavior that, if unabsolved at the point of the individual’s death, will send the participants to straight to hell…do not pass go…do not collect $200.

I really have a hard time believing that a Catholic would knowingly try to send somebody to hell. Fathoming that degree of hatred in an individual is absolutely foreign to me. But we can see that it exists.

Sad, really, when you think about it.

 

[buffalo]

You bring up a really good point that needs to be stressed again and again.

**How much must these Catholics who support the “gay agenda,” as you call it, must actually hate **those who have homosexual tendencies?

They want to encourage behavior that, if unabsolved at the point of the individual’s death, will send the participants to straight to hell…do not pass go…do not collect $200.

I really have a hard time believing that a Catholic would knowingly try to send somebody to hell. Fathoming that degree of hatred in an individual is absolutely foreign to me. But we can see that it exists.

Sad, really, when you think about it.

That is why I love this:

Love is not tolerance

BISHOP FULTON J. SHEEN****Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/images/authos/Sheen8.JPG  *Christian love bears evil, but  it does not tolerate it. *

It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.
*The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth. *
It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.
*The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body;
but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom. *
*Real love involves real hatred:
whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth. *
*Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”;
it is not a species of sloppy sentiment. *
Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God,
which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.

 

[Julian0404]

With all due respect, you are delusional.

When my grandfather was my age, homosexuals stayed in the closet yet they face severe consequences.

When my father was my age, they were more out, but the idea of gay marriage was so ridiculous that it wasn’t even up for discussion.

Today, it’s controversial, but it is being discussed, and in some cases, passed.

By the time a child born today is my age, he or she probably won’t even realize it was once controversial.

Strong opposition to gay marriage is highest in the 50+ crowd. The under 30 crowd is strongly in favor of it. As those opposed die off, they are being replaced by someone in favor of it.

It is inevitable. It WILL happen. It’s only a matter of time.

seeker2010 - your scenario of the inverse relation of age to the acceptance of same-sex-marriage leaves GOD out of the analysis. Your complete reliance upon the nature of “youth” to continue as if GOD does not have an impact on each of their individual lives is without foundation. Already there have been a few growing reports in the media that the youth are rejecting the sinful nature supported by their parents, i.e. abortion - free love - contraception - condoms over abstinance. Just yesterday in the web there was the story of the 9 year old boy, who at the age of 4 - with the help of his mother- began a foundation to feed children, and today, his foundation has fed 7,000 and is growing. GOD’s hand is upon that child, as GOD’s hand is upon each of us who say “YES” to HIS love. The youth will be touched by GOD and that touch will move them closer to HIS ways, and further from the ways of the world, such as same-sex-marriage.

 

[valoriuslobo]

Agenda is a very strong word and at first I was like “an agenda, really?” but the more I thought about it I see very much your reason to use such a word. We have it pushed on us daily that homosexual persons are to be given equal rights and their “love” is like any other love. But we must remember that it is deeply unnatural, ordered against nature. And for those people who want no religion in their arguments, then why does science say that the purpose of procreation is to pass on genetic codes to the succeeding generation in a “survival of the fittest” game of genes? (not that I adhere to such science goobedly-gook).

I am so heartbroken when I hear people, of whatever sinful creed, asking for equal rights. They claim that human laws, such as the constitution, ought to guarantee freedoms. Well I say screw the constitution! It’s a law of man, which is inherently imperfect. God is the law that everyone ought to follow. And the agent of God’s law on earth is the Church which He Himself as Jesus Christ created and endowed with the power of the Holy Spirit. To discount such a creation is reprehensible.

JP2 and BXVI are right in saying that the world is under a “dictator of relativism.” Just because two adults may consent to something doesn’t make it right at all; that is just about the most ridiculous logic I ever heard! What is right is what God told us is right. To abrogate the moral law, the God-truth, is to allow for any opinion that so suits you to govern your life. Such a way is lost and sad. I pray for these people daily.

“Charity is patient, is kind” St. Paul wrote[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]. If we open our hearts to those who live lives governed by a sin, then love can conquer all. Tolerance is evil, love is pure. Matthew wrote that a flock is not complete if even one sheep is missing. I want all those lost sheeps to find their way back to the shephard. Would to God!

 

[Seeker2010]

The youth will be touched by GOD and that touch will move them closer to HIS ways, and further from the ways of the world, such as same-sex-marriage.

Believe whatever you wish. I believe it will be the law of the land in the not too distant future. We shall see who is right, assuming we live long enough.

 

[bingbang]

No, same sex marriage will not become the law of the land. It has been voted down by the populace everywhere some liberal judge has initiated it.

LOL…I am sorry but you are soooo wrong. And it hasn’t been voted down everywhere…it is legal in all of Canada and multiple states as well. It is just a matter of time until it is legal across America.

 

[bingbang]

There is a well defined social engineering project going on. However, it will not last. As someone else posted here: “we want to do what we want with our genitals.” The question then is, who’s stopping you? Those who speak for gay rights generally mean gay marriage. If this continues, gay sex will be institutionalized. The goal is indifference. Already, gay divorce is occurring. It is documented that, unlike heterosexuals, gay married couples can have boyfriends. One gay man wrote that he is in “an ethical nonmonogomous relationship.”

The puzzle is this: Why do proponents of gay marriage post here? There is no need to get anyone’s permission to do whatever they want. Voters in California turned gay marriage down twice. But it did not matter because that was not the outcome desired by advocates.

Nothing is inevitable. Catholics, both gay and straight, simply need to give no material support to advocates of gay marriage. Some parents are home schooling and living good examples to their children.

Like the Roman Empire, this will fade.

God bless,
Ed

I don’t understand how anyone can actually believe this. Think about how far gay marriage has come in the past 10 years. It isn’t going to stop until it is legalized everywhere and you are going to have to accept that it is legal.

And I like your generalizations about gay marriage. I love how you believe every gay couple has outside partners. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[bingbang]

You bring up a really good point that needs to be stressed again and again.

**How much must these Catholics who support the “gay agenda,” as you call it, must actually hate **those who have homosexual tendencies?

They want to encourage behavior that, if unabsolved at the point of the individual’s death, will send the participants to straight to hell…do not pass go…do not collect $200.

I really have a hard time believing that a Catholic would knowingly try to send somebody to hell. Fathoming that degree of hatred in an individual is absolutely foreign to me. But we can see that it exists.

Sad, really, when you think about it.

I have a feeling that anyone that wants gay marriage legalized doesn’t accept that it will send people to hell.

 

[bingbang]

seeker2010 - your scenario of the inverse relation of age to the acceptance of same-sex-marriage leaves GOD out of the analysis. Your complete reliance upon the nature of “youth” to continue as if GOD does not have an impact on each of their individual lives is without foundation. Already there have been a few growing reports in the media that the youth are rejecting the sinful nature supported by their parents, i.e. abortion - free love - contraception - condoms over abstinance. Just yesterday in the web there was the story of the 9 year old boy, who at the age of 4 - with the help of his mother- began a foundation to feed children, and today, his foundation has fed 7,000 and is growing. GOD’s hand is upon that child, as GOD’s hand is upon each of us who say “YES” to HIS love. The youth will be touched by GOD and that touch will move them closer to HIS ways, and further from the ways of the world, such as same-sex-marriage.

Sorry, this isn’t going to happen. The world is becoming more liberal and secular. No matter what there are going to be a core of religious people, but I think in the next generations the default is going to change from the slightly religious, believes in God, goes to church type a year to agnostic or atheist.

Gay marriage WILL be legalized, and if you don’t think so you are really out of touch with what is going on in this country. I am 24 and I don’t think I know one person around my age that is against gay marriage. And I have a feeling that most people my age have the same experience.

 

[markomalley]

I have a feeling that anyone that wants gay marriage legalized doesn’t accept that it will send people to hell.

And I somehow have a feeling that their opinion won’t really matter in the end.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

Sorry, this isn’t going to happen. The world is becoming more liberal and secular. No matter what there are going to be a core of religious people, but I think in the next generations the default is going to change from the slightly religious, believes in God, goes to church type a year to agnostic or atheist.

Gay marriage WILL be legalized, and if you don’t think so you are really out of touch with what is going on in this country. I am 24 and I don’t think I know one person around my age that is against gay marriage. And I have a feeling that most people my age have the same experience.

Bingbang, do you approve of the agenda of Kevin Jennings and David Bohnett?

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[markomalley]

Gay marriage WILL be legalized, and if you don’t think so you are really out of touch with what is going on in this country. I am 24 and I don’t think I know one person around my age that is against gay marriage. And I have a feeling that most people my age have the same experience.

Well, I am 49 and I believe you.

Pity.