The Homosexual Agenda

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Dictatorship of Relativism

Requirements -

A) The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
B) However, it is also required that it be forbidden to forbid.
C) Radical individualism.

It is a complete mystery why advocates for homosexual relationships post here. At first, it was “Mind your own business! Leave us alone!” Fine. That happened.

Now it’s: “Approve our lifestyle in its entirety.”

Whatever it is you do, who’s stopping you? Right now, who’s stopping you?

God bless,
Ed
 
Dictatorship of Relativism

Requirements -

A) The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
B) However, it is also required that it be forbidden to forbid.
C) Radical individualism.

It is a complete mystery why advocates for homosexual relationships post here. At first, it was “Mind your own business! Leave us alone!” Fine. That happened.

Now it’s: “Approve our lifestyle in its entirety.”

Whatever it is you do, who’s stopping you? Right now, who’s stopping you?

God bless,
Ed
I think that most people arguing for gay rights on this site are in fact straight. The Christians in this country are a big part of the reason why things like that gay kid from rutgers jumping off a bridge after he was outed by his roommate streaming a video. I believe he was a Catholic actually as the article I mentioned earlier said something about a priest with his family.

It is this condemnation of homosexuality by the religious right that is ruining lives. You can say that you are trying to help people save their souls so they don’t go to hell, but that is just your biased opinion on God and who he sends to hell. Who are you to state God’s will? You should never be so sure about your beliefs in God or the supernatural that it effects the compassion you show others…and by that I mean interfering with their happiness, when what they are doing doesn’t interfere with someone else’s.

It is people like you that has caused so much pain and suffering for homosexuals in this country. And THAT is why people are arguing against it. People kill themselves because of it, and its horrible. If society became more accepting of these things, the world would be a better place.
 
I think that most people arguing for gay rights on this site are in fact straight…
Indeed

I am continually surprised by how many anti-gay threads get started here by Catholics whom I also presume to be straight. I wouldn’t be posting on these threads if Catholics wouldn’t start them and open the topic for commentary. I never start a thread on gays, either in support or in opposition.

But carry on! Let’s see what the next one says…
 
I think that most people arguing for gay rights on this site are in fact straight. The Christians in this country are a big part of the reason why things like that gay kid from rutgers jumping off a bridge after he was outed by his roommate streaming a video. I believe he was a Catholic actually as the article I mentioned earlier said something about a priest with his family.

It is this condemnation of homosexuality by the religious right that is ruining lives. You can say that you are trying to help people save their souls so they don’t go to hell, but that is just your biased opinion on God and who he sends to hell. Who are you to state God’s will? You should never be so sure about your beliefs in God or the supernatural that it effects the compassion you show others…and by that I mean interfering with their happiness, when what they are doing doesn’t interfere with someone else’s.

It is people like you that has caused so much pain and suffering for homosexuals in this country. And THAT is why people are arguing against it. People kill themselves because of it, and its horrible. If society became more accepting of these things, the world would be a better place.
You really have no right to speak about that kid’s death. I am going out on a limb here saying you didn’t know the poor guy. Please do not “poster child” him. He was the victim of bullying NOT Christianity. I for one am not going to abide by you using someone’s suicide as a means to prove your agenda. :eek:
 
You could have empathy for the bank robber, but what about people at the bank that he could hurt or kill? What about the people he put in danger? What about all the people who had their money stolen? What about the bank itself? Maybe the bank has to lay people off to recoup money lost in the robbery (I don’t think this is how things work, but you know what I mean). There are obvious victims in this case which you also need to empathize with.

In homosexual relationships, who is the victim? You could say that the homosexuals themselves are victims, and to some degree that is true. They are victims of a society that doesn’t agree with their lifestyle. But there is no one getting hurt in a homosexual relationship that should make it immoral or wrong. For something to be morally wrong, in my opinion, there has to be some wrong done to someone. When two homosexuals make love, neither are wronging the other or anyone else. Thus, it is morally acceptable.
Who will pay for the medical bills as a result of their activities?
 
Who will pay for the medical bills as a result of their activities?
Themselves? Why don’t you go protest in front of Mcdonald’s, philip morris, or annheiuser busch, as I am sure that there are WAYYYYYY more people in the hospital because of those products than homosexual actions.
 
You really have no right to speak about that kid’s death. I am going out on a limb here saying you didn’t know the poor guy. Please do not “poster child” him. He was the victim of bullying NOT Christianity. I for one am not going to abide by you using someone’s suicide as a means to prove your agenda. :eek:
If the Church and nation in general were not so anti gay, that suicide would have never happened.
 
If the Church and nation in general were not so anti gay, that suicide would have never happened.
If the Church did not uphold the teachings of Christ and His Apostles, sinners would not know that they were in sin, so perhaps they would be very happy and satisfied with their sinfulness. They would go into the darkness, astonished that they should not enter God’s presence because they violated His law.

“Wait! This isn’t fair”, they would cry. “We didn’t know we were doing anything wrong! No one told us!”

The Church exists to preach against sin; not to be anti-gay, or anti-masturbation, or anti-abortion, but anti-sin. Homosexual acts are intrinsically sinful because they violate God’s design, and the Church is required by Her Founder to warn everyone against sinful acts and their ultimate result.

Don’t go blaming the Church for a gay man’s suicide, when the clear cause of his death was his reaction to having his sins exposed and ridiculed. Those who “outed” him in so callous a fashion are to blame, and will bear the punishment for their actions.

The Church calls for everyone to be afforded their dignity, and to be counseled in charity when they sin. Holding someone’s sins up for public ridicule is just as sinful an act as the original offense itself, but the Church will not alter Her position against sin simply because someone convicted of sin chooses to do violence to himself.
 
If the Church and nation in general were not so anti gay, that suicide would have never happened.
My baloney detector went off on this one.

Homosexuals implicitly know they are violating natural law. They constantly seek approval from society in general. In the long run this cannot resolve their feelings.
 
With all due respect, you are delusional…
You are whistling past the graveyard, asserting without proof that your opinion is inevitable. Eugenics was inevitable, socialism was inevitable, prohibition of alcohol was inevitable.

I might as well argue back that gay marriage is not inevitable - our future muslim masters will not allow it.
 
Themselves? Why don’t you go protest in front of Mcdonald’s, philip morris, or annheiuser busch, as I am sure that there are WAYYYYYY more people in the hospital because of those products than homosexual actions.
In general I am against any behavior that ramps up my health insurance costs.

But you should be aware of the health issues:

Homosexuality and Mental Health Problems

Relationship Breakups Motivate Most
Suicide Attempts


Next, we ask–do the papers show that it is gay lifestyle factors, or society’s stigmatization, that are the motivators that lead a person to attempt suicide? Neither conclusion is inevitable. Still, Saghir and Robins (1978) examined reasons for suicide attempts among homosexuals and found that if the reasons for the attempt were connected with homosexuality, about 2/3 were due to breakups of relationships --not outside pressures from society. Similarly, Bell and Weinberg (1981) also found the major reason for suicide attempts was the breakup of relationships. In second place, they said, was the inability to accept oneself. Since homosexuals have greater numbers of partners and breakups, compared with heterosexuals, and since longterm gay male relationships are rarely monagamous, it is hardly surprising if suicide attempts are proportionally greater. The median number of partners for homosexuals is four times higher than for heterosexuals (Whitehead and Whitehead 1999, calculated from Laumann et al 1994).
A good general rule of thumb is that suicide attempts are about three times higher for homosexuals. Could there be a connection between those two percentages?
Another factor in suicide attempts would be the compulsive or addictive elements in homosexuality (Pincu, 1989 ) which could lead to feelings of depression when the lifestyle is out of control (Seligman 1975). There are some, (estimates vary, but perhaps as many as 50% of young men today), who do not take consistent precautions against HIV (Valleroy et al., 2001) and who have considerable problems with sexual addiction and substance abuse addiction, and this of course would feed into suicide attempts.

The Effect of Social Stigma

Third, does pressure from society lead to mental health problems? Less, I believe, than one might imagine. The authors of the study done in The Netherlands were surprised to find so much mental illness in homosexual people in a country where tolerance of homosexuality is greater than in almost all other countries. Another good comparison country is New Zealand, which is much more tolerant of homosexuality than is the United States. Legislation giving the movement special legal rights is powerful, consistently enforced throughout the country, and virtually never challenged. Despite this broad level of social tolerance, suicide attempts were common in a New Zealand study and occurred at about the same rate as in the U.S.
In his cross-cultural comparison of mental health in the Netherlands, Denmark and the U.S., Ross (1988) could find no significant differences between countries - i.e. the greater social hostility in the United States did not result in a higher level of psychiatric problems.
There are three other issues not covered in the Archives journal articles which are worthy of consideration. The first two involve DSM category diagnoses.
 
and

The American Journal of Public Health Highlights Risks of Homosexual Practices


Inherent Anatomical Problems Regarding physical health, there is increasing evidence that mortality and morbidity rates are substantially higher for those who engage in homosexual practices. For example, the risk of anal cancer soars by as much as 4,000% for men who engage in anal intercourse with other men. The host of medical consequences of those who practice anal intercourse is large, from the tearing of the rectal lining with all of its accompanying problems to the diseases associated with subsequent contact with fecal matter.
The American Public Health Association, along with other such national associations, needs to be aggressively pressed and held responsible for the activist spin placed on the research reported in the pages of their journal.
On the issue of risks of homosexual practices, the national organizations have become reckless guardians of the public health. The failure to report morbidity and mortality rates associated with homosexual practices should be cause for governmental scrutiny. The furthering of an agenda–no matter whose agenda–must not be placed above the lives of those whose interests must be protected.
Activism must not be placed above science in informing public policy. It is an injustice to homosexual men and women to allow activism, including accusations of homophobia, to silence discussion of health risks or to suppress research.
A civil society has an obligation to implement policies that promote the health and well-being of its citizens.
 
To my brothers and sisters in Christ -

We are all sinners. We all have crosses to bear. In this discussion, one thing is clear: We are being asked to listen, not to our Church, to which we freely belong, but to men. And when we present the truth, what do we hear? You’re wrong.

Here is the mission statement for the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom:

"The NCSF is committed to creating a political, legal and social environment in the US that advances equal rights for consenting adults who engage in alternative sexual and relationship expressions.

"The NCSF aims to advance the rights of, and advocate for consenting adults in the BDSM-Leather-Fetish, Swing, and Polyamory Communities.

“We pursue our vision through direct services, education, advocacy, and outreach, in conjunction with our partners, to directly benefit these communities.”

What is stopping any of these people from doing what they want? In Canada, polyamory has been proposed. Again, what stops these people from doing what they want?

By attempting to create a false environment that promotes any and all forms of sexual activity, we have to remain vigilant regarding this. Under the banner of gaining freedom, these same people do not want privacy, but social encouragement. So, what began as a campaign to be left alone, and to their own privacy, is now a campaign to legalize behavior that goes against natural and moral law. We did not do this or want this. Their privacy is intact. This is what they wish to impose on others.

Pray and be vigilant.

God bless,
Ed
 
…"The NCSF aims to advance the rights of, and advocate for consenting adults in the BDSM-Leather-Fetish, Swing, and Polyamory Communities…
I always did like Swing. There’s East Coast and West Coast. Very fun to dance! 😉
 
Themselves? **Why don’t you go protest in front of Mcdonald’s, philip morris, or annheiuser busch, **as I am sure that there are WAYYYYYY more people in the hospital because of those products than homosexual actions.
Too many Catholics do these things? That’s my guess.
 
Who will pay for the medical bills as a result of their activities?
I contribute, and quite willingly. I don’t peg my health care premiums only for those who live the most healthy lives. And doctors don’t only treat the healthy. Kinda by definition.
 
I contribute, and quite willingly. I don’t peg my health care premiums only for those who live the most healthy lives. And doctors don’t only treat the healthy. Kinda by definition.
I would like an incentive based health care system. If one engages in high risk behavior they should be in a risk pool.

We already have this in auto insurance and in life insurance.
 
I would like an incentive based health care system. If one engages in high risk behavior they should be in a risk pool.

We already have this in auto insurance and in life insurance.
I consider that inhumane and unworkable when it comes to health care.
 
If the Church and nation in general were not so anti gay, that suicide would have never happened.
Oh, stop the histrionics.

Of course, the pain and suffering of Tyler Clementi from shame before he jumped off the bridge must have been too much for his fragile soul. And the grief that his parents must be undergoing now must be tremendous.

But to point a finger at Catholics for believing and following a Church teaching for 2,000 years, as reason that Tyler commited suicide? It would serve you well to pay attention to the empirical studies and objective references offered by posters like Buffalo and Edwest2. So you think you have a corner on compassion and understanding of homosexuals? I grew up with one so I saw for years and continue to see a life lived with internal struggle against natural and divine law, both arguments you do not accept, just because.

Do you actually have a family member or a dear friend who is gay, a tortured soul perhaps, like Tyler Clementi? If so, it would be helpful to remain a part of his support system to help prevent the kind of morbid despair that sometimes envelops homosexuals. I say “help prevent” and not “prevent” because you or someone else may not be immediately available when a really bad depression hits this person. Remember that destructive thoughts likewise plague a segment of the population with a lifelong disorder or addiction of one form or another, which, when uncontrolled, become incompatible with good physical and mental health, pushing the afflicted to the edge.

If not, did you pick up the homosexual cause as a debate exercise, to have fun arguing with faceless, agitated Catholics in an internet forum?

BB, whether you are gay or straight, sincere or not in what you state in your posts, we have no way to really know. No matter. You had a whole separate thread in an attempt to convince Catholics in this Catholic forum that their belief in the Church’s teaching on homosexuality is wrong. You were not shy in voicing ridicule and contempt of their view on the homosexual lifestyle. You rejected all articulation of the Catholic position and non-religious arguments against homosexual behavior. You make the same claims in this thread which I started to discuss the homosexual agenda of the rich and powerful homosexuals who are creating a dilemma in this country (not from your point of view, of course), then latched on to the recent Tyler Clementi suicide for mileage.

In all respect, have you thought of using your time and keystrokes in a venue that’s more productive? Since you approve of the homosexual agenda, why not be a part of David Bohnett’s or Dan Savage’s project or some organization, for example, that suits your civic call?

I join the posters in praying for this country’s future and the Church. I’ll pray for you and the young son you are raising as well.

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and

The American Journal of Public Health Highlights Risks of Homosexual Practices

Inherent Anatomical Problems Regarding physical health, there is increasing evidence that mortality and morbidity rates are substantially higher for those who engage in homosexual practices. For example, the risk of anal cancer soars by as much as 4,000% for men who engage in anal intercourse with other men. **The host of medical consequences of those who practice anal intercourse is large, from the tearing of the rectal lining with all of its accompanying problems to the diseases associated with subsequent contact with fecal matter. **

The American Public Health Association, along with other such national associations, needs to be aggressively pressed and held responsible for the activist spin placed on the research reported in the pages of their journal.

On the issue of risks of homosexual practices, the national organizations have become reckless guardians of the public health. The failure to report morbidity and mortality rates associated with homosexual practices should be cause for governmental scrutiny. **The furthering of an agenda–no matter whose agenda–must not be placed above the lives of those whose interests must be protected.

Activism must not be placed above science in informing public policy. It is an injustice to homosexual men and women to allow activism, including accusations of homophobia, to silence discussion of health risks or to suppress research. **

A civil society has an obligation to implement policies that promote the health and well-being of its citizens.
Excellent link. Very informative especially to those who discount the complementarity argument of Catholics, in favor of the male-female sexual relations and against the homosexual act.

I remember having a discussion (about complications associated with repetitive anal intercourse) with my two brothers who are both physicians. One is a medical doctor for the Department of Corrections, so you can just imagine the host of medical problems that he sees with inmates. It is an indelicate topic, but even people who are not medically educated or oriented must have the reasonable idea that the rectum lining would be at risk for dehiscence or fissures, when the excretory organ, which the rectum is, is used in lieu of the female sex organ.

As for the male patient population outside prison, proponents of homosexual activism should heed the warning that the Public Health officials mentioned in the journal on health risks of homosexual practices.

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