The Homosexual Agenda

[InSearchofGrace]

You are whistling past the graveyard, asserting without proof that your opinion is inevitable. Eugenics was inevitable, socialism was inevitable, prohibition of alcohol was inevitable.

I might as well argue back that gay marriage is not inevitable - our future muslim masters will not allow it.

Unimaginable! Although British radical Anjem Choudary did say yesterday that Muslims intend to have the Islamic flag flying at the White House. And Christiana Amanpour did not have a comeback to his comment!

But if gay marriage becomes legal, like one poster said in this thread that it’s sure to happen, from sea to shining sea, it’s just a matter of time, and the U.S. gets Islamized, it would not be a pretty sight in this country.

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[InSearchofGrace]

To my brothers and sisters in Christ -

We are all sinners. We all have crosses to bear. In this discussion, one thing is clear: We are being asked to listen, not to our Church, to which we freely belong, but to men. And when we present the truth, what do we hear? You’re wrong.

Here is the mission statement for the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom:

"The NCSF is committed to creating a political, legal and social environment in the US that advances equal rights for consenting adults who engage in alternative sexual and relationship expressions.

"The NCSF aims to advance the rights of, and advocate for consenting adults in the BDSM-Leather-Fetish, Swing, and Polyamory Communities.

“We pursue our vision through direct services, education, advocacy, and outreach, in conjunction with our partners, to directly benefit these communities.”

What is stopping any of these people from doing what they want? In Canada, polyamory has been proposed. Again, what stops these people from doing what they want?

By attempting to create a false environment that promotes any and all forms of sexual activity, we have to remain vigilant regarding this. Under the banner of gaining freedom, these same people do not want privacy, but social encouragement. So, what began as a campaign to be left alone, and to their own privacy, is now a campaign to legalize behavior that goes against natural and moral law. We did not do this or want this. Their privacy is intact. This is what they wish to impose on others.

Pray and be vigilant.

God bless,
Ed

I’m with you in prayer and vigilance. It’s what I’m doing and what I intend to keep on doing.

I hope Christians and Jews unify in the goal to oppose the homosexual agenda.

You have clearly expressed what homosexual activism is really after. Legalization of gay marriage will open the door to other sexual moral ills.

We should strive to preserve our Judeo-Chrisitan roots.

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[InSearchofGrace]

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In 2009 The Seimas, Lithuania’s parliamentary body, passed the law on Tuesday, which prohibits the dissemination of public information that is recognized in general to have a negative effect on the mental health, physical, intellectual, and moral development of youth. This includes the spreading of information that "agitates for homosexual, bisexual relations, or polygamy."

**Poland ** is considering a imilar law. The measure would also provide a strong legal barrier to homosexual “Pride” parades that promote the social acceptance, display, and celebration of aberrant sexual behaviors in civil society.
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Good ol’ little Lithuania.

I pray Poland follows suit pretty soon.

God bless these two countries. I think they are two of the few countries in Europe that do not recognize same sex civil unions, unlike the other countries there. Six have legal same sex marriages, i.e., Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Netherlands, Spain and Portugal . I am surprised about Spain and Portugal because they are predominantly Catholic countries.

It’s good to note that the legislations in Lithuania and Poland make clear that they are not intended for discrimination of homosexuals, but they are put in place so young children are not exposed to the promotion of homosexuality. They are efforts in striking a balance between majority interests and minority rights.

Promotion of homosexuality in the young, in the schools, is clearly being pushed by the homosexual agenda in the U.S. under the current administration. This is one more reason voters should not let the liberal left prevail in the elections. We need to put in office conservative leaders who are motivated to preserve our Judeo-Christian roots and ideals.

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[larkin31]

Good ol’ little Lithuania.

I pray Poland follows suit pretty soon…

Under this law, Mad Magazine would be outlawed. You support this kind of Orwellian measure? Are you serious? More hemlock for Socrates?

 

[FidesSpesCarita]

Okay, only through 5 pages so far, but I am jumping ahead to make sure I remember what I want to say.

With all due respect, you are delusional.

When my grandfather was my age, homosexuals stayed in the closet yet they face severe consequences.

When my father was my age, they were more out, but the idea of gay marriage was so ridiculous that it wasn’t even up for discussion.

Today, it’s controversial, but it is being discussed, and in some cases, passed.

By the time a child born today is my age, he or she probably won’t even realize it was once controversial.

Strong opposition to gay marriage is highest in the 50+ crowd. The under 30 crowd is strongly in favor of it. As those opposed die off, they are being replaced by someone in favor of it.

It is inevitable. It WILL happen. It’s only a matter of time.

You do realize that I could say the exact same thing re: pedophilia and its coming social acceptance as you have stated above re: homosexuality, right?

Some believe homosexuality to be a genetic factor. Regardless. it is progress as laws prevent homosexuals from having equal rights.

Progress means to move forward. But forward motion without knowing what you are moving toward is just naive.

This is ridiculous. A pedophile cannot marry a child because a child cannot consent. Same with an animal.

I have no moral issue with homosexual acts-so long as it is between two consenting adults. I do have an issue with pedophilia as it is almost always coerced, and even on the rare occasions it’s not, the child cannot consent.

Gay marriage is between two consenting adults-thus, no moral problem, thus, it should be legalized.

Furthermore, one of the greatest aspects of America is its separation of church and state. So until one can give an entirely secular reason for gay marriage, arguments against it have no merit whatsoever.

If consent is all you are after, why can a man not marry his daughter when she turns 18? Would you accept that as permissible? They would be two consenting adults. And what makes you think that children cannot consent? According to NAMBLA they can and do…

Perhaps my religion is misleading. I do not know what is out there spiritually.

And the thing is, no matter how much I tried back in my papist days, I could not view homosexuality as a sin. It was impossible for me. I choose to trust my own conscience rather than an organization that has opposed progress for so many years.

See, your problem here seems to be pride… “I…trust my own conscience”. And when has the Church opposed progress that had as its aim definite, good, goals? Heck, a Catholic monk (I think he was a monk at least) came up with the scientific method! Catholics founded the first public schools, the first institutions of higher learning (hence the tradition of wearing robes to graduate), public hospitals (pretty sure on this one, but havent checked sources) and lots of other things that people seem to feel the CC opposed…

Sorry, this isn’t going to happen. The world is becoming more liberal and secular. No matter what there are going to be a core of religious people, but I think in the next generations the default is going to change from the slightly religious, believes in God, goes to church type a year to agnostic or atheist.

Gay marriage WILL be legalized, and if you don’t think so you are really out of touch with what is going on in this country. I am 24 and I don’t think I know one person around my age that is against gay marriage. And I have a feeling that most people my age have the same experience.

The last government to legalize (and almost promote) homsexuality, before our modern era, was Rome, under Nero. If you want to emulate Nero, by all means go ahead. Just dont expect to find me in lock-step behind you. I will be fleeing from you and your bandwagon as fast as my itty-bitty feet will carry me.

And for the record I am 27 and am vehemently opposed to homosexual marriage for more reasons than I am willing to address in this post as are all of the people my age I associate with except two.

Well, I am 49 and I believe you.

Pity.

Homosexuality, in and of itself, is not a sin- it’s a state of being, and if no sin is being committed, then…uh, no sin’s being committed. I’m still waiting for someone to show me where the term “SSA” appears in the Catechism. (The paragraph quoted elsewhere on this thread does not contain the term “same-sex attraction,” either abbreviated or as a written-out term: “SSA” is not a term that originates from the Magisterium.)

The statement Buffalo made was that SSA was intrinsically disordered and the homosexual act was a sin. That is what is listed in the Catechism reference as well…

More to follow.

 

[FidesSpesCarita]

I think that most people arguing for gay rights on this site are in fact straight. The Christians in this country are a big part of the reason why things like that gay kid from rutgers jumping off a bridge after he was outed by his roommate streaming a video. I believe he was a Catholic actually as the article I mentioned earlier said something about a priest with his family.

So you are blaming his suicide on Christianity, instead of on the people who did this to him? Thats like saying that if I kept telling you your wife was cheating on you, persistently, until you got so upset you beat her, that it was our monogamous society that caused it instead of my lies. Doesnt make sense.

It is this condemnation of homosexuality by the religious right that is ruining lives. You can say that you are trying to help people save their souls so they don’t go to hell, but that is just your biased opinion on God and who he sends to hell. Who are you to state God’s will? You should never be so sure about your beliefs in God or the supernatural that it effects the compassion you show others…and by that I mean interfering with their happiness, when what they are doing doesn’t interfere with someone else’s.

Catecheo is a greek word that means to faithfully echo back. THAT is what we are engaged in, faithfully echoing back what is clearly recorded in the bible. If they dont want to hear what we have to say they are free to ignore us. Any person who forces an opinion on someone else is wrong, in all cases, including our moral opinions. And yet, that is exactly what you are attempting to do by coming to Catholic site and telling us we have to believe as you believe or we are horrible people (paraphrasing a lot here, but that seems to be the jist of your points). And that is what the gay lobby is doing, in exactly the same fashion, just on a much larger scale using media outlets that you probably dont have access to. So if you are telling me that I should be accepting of other peoples views, then why are you not accepting of mine?

It is people like you that has caused so much pain and suffering for homosexuals in this country. And THAT is why people are arguing against it. People kill themselves because of it, and its horrible. If society became more accepting of these things, the world would be a better place.

And it is people like you that case the cognitive dissonance that forces people to lose their faith, indulge in selfish practices that almost inevitably lead to depression, and sometimes kill themselves out of despair. If society became more christian (as it was at its founding), the world would be a better place.

Under this law, Mad Magazine would be outlawed. You support this kind of Orwellian measure? Are you serious? More hemlock for Socrates?

Well, I cannot speak for InSearchOfGrace, but I for one do not think that would be a good law in any way. Who was it who said “I may not agree with what you have to say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it”?

Although your attempt to equate censorship with cultural (I am assuming you meant cultural) hemlock is a bit off-target at best and dishonest at worst…

FSC

 

[buffalo]

Good ol’ little Lithuania.

I pray Poland follows suit pretty soon.

God bless these two countries. I think they are two of the few countries in Europe that do not recognize same sex civil unions, unlike the other countries there. Six have legal same sex marriages, i.e., Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Netherlands, Spain and Portugal . I am surprised about Spain and Portugal because they are predominantly Catholic countries.

It’s good to note that the legislations in Lithuania and Poland make clear that they are not intended for discrimination of homosexuals, but they are put in place so young children are not exposed to the promotion of homosexuality. They are efforts in striking a balance between majority interests and minority rights.

Promotion of homosexuality in the young, in the schools, is clearly being pushed by the homosexual agenda in the U.S. under the current administration. This is one more reason voters should not let the liberal left prevail in the elections. We need to put in office conservative leaders who are motivated to preserve our Judeo-Christian roots and ideals.

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Don’t be surprised. The agenda, word play and framing it as a civil rights issue is very slick. Catholics by nature fall for the civil rights part even though it is not.

 

[bingbang]

So if you are telling me that I should be accepting of other peoples views, then why are you not accepting of mine?

Because I believe that your views, and the views of the Catholic Church, are hurting people and the world as a whole. There is no good coming from preaching against condoms in Africa and against homosexuality.

 

[buffalo]

Because I believe that your views, and the views of the Catholic Church, are hurting people and the world as a whole. There is no good coming from preaching against condoms in Africa and against homosexuality.

Wrong - the truth has to be preached. Those that accept the truth are fulfilled.

 

[edwest2]

Under this law, Mad Magazine would be outlawed. You support this kind of Orwellian measure? Are you serious? More hemlock for Socrates?

So what? I don’t see what outlawing Mad magazine has to do with Orwell or Socrates. It’s their country and they are free to hold themselves to a higher moral standard as opposed to promoting rampant hedonism. Please stop the going from one extreme to the other posturing. I’ve contacted the FCC about some objectionable programming. The Voice of the People includes Catholics.

God bless,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

Don’t be surprised. The agenda, word play and framing it as a civil rights issue is very slick. Catholics by nature fall for the civil rights part even though it is not.

So let’s show Catholics that it’s not about civil rights:

jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby_gay_marriage.php3

Are gay marriage advocates posting accusations on Jewish forums? At one time, the Federal government spoke about our Judeo-Christian heritage. It still exists.

God bless,
Ed

 

[Splinker]

I’m with you in prayer and vigilance. It’s what I’m doing and what I intend to keep on doing.

I hope Christians and Jews unify in the goal to oppose the homosexual agenda.

You have clearly expressed what homosexual activism is really after. Legalization of gay marriage will open the door to other sexual moral ills.

We should strive to preserve our Judeo-Chrisitan roots.

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what sexual moral ills do you believe are part of the secret homosexual agenda? You believe that the their goal of legalizing gay marriage is just a means to a more insidioius end. What end?

 

[BlackBeard54]

I am 24 and I don’t think I know one person around my age that is against gay marriage. And I have a feeling that most people my age have the same experience.

This sounds like Pauline Kael, who after the Nixon landslide was reported to have said that she was amazed he won as she didn’t know anyone who had voted for Nixon. I have a 23 YO and a 25 YO daughter, and neither of them, nor their Fiances, are for gay marriage. And none of them are Catholic.

I suggest you get out of your liberal, tolerate anything crowd. There are more young people against gay marriage than you think.

 

[larkin31]

what sexual moral ills do you believe are part of the secret homosexual agenda? You believe that the their goal of legalizing gay marriage is just a means to a more insidioius end. What end?

oh joy

you would have to ask

here comes a list of animals and pedophiles, is my guess (judging from what is typically trotted out in the slippery slope argument)

 

[bingbang]

This sounds like Pauline Kael, who after the Nixon landslide was reported to have said that she was amazed he won as she didn’t know anyone who had voted for Nixon. I have a 23 YO and a 25 YO daughter, and neither of them, nor their Fiances, are for gay marriage. And none of them are Catholic.

I suggest you get out of your liberal, tolerate anything crowd. There are more young people against gay marriage than you think.

No, I much prefer the liberal, tolerant crowd.

And according to a new study, about half of Americans support gay marriage, and I am sure that the numbers are even higher in my age group…so maybe there are less young people that are against gay marriage than you think.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/11/americans-split-evenly-on-gay-marriage/

Also, you mention that your daughters and fiances are against gay marriage but aren’t Catholic…are they some other type of Christian? And if not, what are their reasons for not supporting it?

 

[buffalo]

No, I much prefer the liberal, tolerant crowd.

And according to a new study, about half of Americans support gay marriage, and I am sure that the numbers are even higher in my age group…so maybe there are less young people that are against gay marriage than you think.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/11/americans-split-evenly-on-gay-marriage/

Also, you mention that your daughters and fiances are against gay marriage but aren’t Catholic…are they some other type of Christian? And if not, what are their reasons for not supporting it?

Love is not tolerance

BISHOP FULTON J. SHEEN****Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/images/authos/Sheen8.JPG  *Christian love bears evil, but  it does not tolerate it. *

It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.
*The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth. *
It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.
*The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body;
but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom. *
*Real love involves real hatred:
whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth. *
*Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”;
it is not a species of sloppy sentiment. *
Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God,
which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.

 

[Aboveallbereal]

No, I much prefer the liberal, tolerant crowd.

And according to a new study, about half of Americans support gay marriage, and I am sure that the numbers are even higher in my age group…so maybe there are less young people that are against gay marriage than you think.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/11/americans-split-evenly-on-gay-marriage/

Also, you mention that your daughters and fiances are against gay marriage but aren’t Catholic…are they some other type of Christian? And if not, what are their reasons for not supporting it?

The simple truthful answer to your question reveals intself in conversation which does not include homosexuals and such conversation is not limited to Christians indeed usually does not include them at all. Most people disapprove because they regard barren anal sexual activity as in objective ways less clean, less “normal” and more depraved than that which it is being compared to. Listen to soccer crowds chanting about homosexuals…do you think they are churchgoing young men? They are not. They are voicing a visceral feeling.

They may be right. They may be wrong but do remember that what people say when trying not to be hurtful and what they think in private are not one and the same… This is universally true and not limited to this issue.

Example. I spoke today to a friend who i know is a welfare benefit cheat. he told me he had turned down legit work in order to avoid the attention of the welfare authorities. I nodded and made some non committal remarks about the issue but inwardly felt that he was a parasite. am I a liar or am I trying not to be hurtful?

 

[bingbang]

Love is not tolerance

BISHOP FULTON J. SHEEN****Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/images/authos/Sheen8.JPG  *Christian love bears evil, but  it does not tolerate it. *

It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.
*The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth. *
It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.
*The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body;
but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom. *
*Real love involves real hatred:
whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth. *
*Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”;
it is not a species of sloppy sentiment. *
Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God,
which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.

I just don’t think that homosexual acts or condoms are evil. I have yet to hear any reasonable argument against them either.

 

[BobObob]

larkin31;7136030:

Under this law, Mad Magazine would be outlawed. You support this kind of Orwellian measure? Are you serious? More hemlock for Socrates?

So what? I don’t see what outlawing Mad magazine has to do with Orwell or Socrates. It’s their country and they are free to hold themselves to a higher moral standard as opposed to promoting rampant hedonism. Please stop the going from one extreme to the other posturing. I’ve contacted the FCC about some objectionable programming. The Voice of the People includes Catholics.

So your against the 1st Amendment, and in favor of government censorship? If so, do you see any potential problems with this?

 

[bingbang]

So your against the 1st Amendment, and in favor of government censorship? If so, do you see any potential problems with this?

I highly doubt it. I bet that most of the people arguing against homosexuality in this thread would be perfectly happy of most things not in accordance with the Catholic Church to be banned. To be honest, many of them would probably prefer it if the pope ran the country in a theocracy. A lot of crazies in this thread