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To my fellow Catholics and all men of good will, Peter Kreeft:
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God bless,
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God bless,
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InSearchofGrace
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Great lecture on moral relativism, covering love and wisdom, all under 5 minutes.
Thanks, Ed.
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You’re welcome.
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InSearchofGrace
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Right … You can continue to contort logic, pose untenable arguments, no matter how inane, to be on the side of all same-sex attacks to tradition. It’s no prejudice on the part of supporters of an unchangeable, no-secret-to-anyone Catholic teaching, which the Catholic school is obliged to uphold. Please don’t tell us a Catholic school is better for the child of same-sex parent than the public school in the community, which has to be available, or in one like the school where you and your wife are teachers, if available. It is just another “frontier” to conquer by homosexual activists. Is this broadening justice, in your view?
See, you are performing high drama right here. I was the poster to whom you addressed that about one book in 300 depicting same sex parents for the third grade in your wife’s class. You can look back at the posts – I did not indicate that that would be an only reason that I would pull my son out of the class, were he in grade school level. What I indicated was I would move my young son to Catholic school if I can afford it or home school him, if I came to know that homosexual relations, homosexual behavior, is being promoted directly or subliminally in the school. And if my sons were grown enough to have children of their own, I would voice to them my concern before they decide to put my (future) grandchild in such a school system.
Not at all.
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SOME gay causes? Tell me, which gay causes are NOT consistent with broadening of justice, in your opinion? Your agenda seems to be to get behind the homosexual agenda. I have not read a post from you where you make an exception, but I could be wrong. Is justice defined by same sex proponents only and supporters to their causes like you?
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I grew up in Pennsylvania Quaker country!
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I have no desire nor any obligation to tell you everything I feel about every subject. I don’t start threads on gays here; I respond to those begun mostly by Catholics. They tend to make claims that I disagree with on this topic. Then I respond, on the topic. The rest is irrelevant here.
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Really? That is quite a list of aspersions. I notice that you have not quoted any of these here.
The prejudice (prejudging) I meant was YOURS, not the schools.
I know Muslims who send their child to a Catholic school. I know Jews who do. I don’t think that you know what you are talking about in this regard.
You’re just ranting now. What has gotten you angry?
I am sorry. Let me ask more directly: If a teacher read one book to a class out of 150 other books read that year and the book included a favorable depiction of gay parents, would you remove your child on that event alone? How about if the school said, “Gays do not deserve to be bullied and are perfectly legitimate citizens as are you and I. Do not ever in our hearing call another student ‘gay’ or ‘fag’ or ‘homo’ as a means of derision or you will be sent home”?
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I do, indeed, and am afraid of none of it.
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larkin31;7153588.:
This is what really makes me crazy. A lot if kids are mocked in school and NONE of it should be happening. A school should not single out homosexual name-calling any more than they should exclude it. It is simply not acceptable behavior to anyone, regardless of the excuse for the bad behavior.
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Actually, there have been a few schools across the country that dis-enrolled students with same sex parents, upon discovery of the home situation. So you might direct your accusation of ‘prejudging’ on the schools, just as well. I agree with the action taken by the schools, as many parents do in the affected areas, even as the policy is under review, at least by the Archdiocese in Boston. You will probably cry ’ injustice’ or ‘prejudging’ again, inappropriate in the instance as it may be.
The Catholic school is not supposed to hide the truth of its teachings. There is the real risk of children being alienated from their parents on whom they rely or alienated from God who would be seen as condemning their parents’ choices. Can you appreciate this or is this outside the realm of your world view, one that you are simply not concerned about as it involves morality according to Catholics and salvation? Do you see how one-sided this would be?
My questions to same sex parents who would put their child in Catholic school: would it be in the best interest of the child? Or, is it to suit their agenda? Is it only about the child and the same sex parents? How about the other children’s value formation in school? Isn’t a Catholic school a private institute of learning, open to families who know what values on top of academics are to be taught?
Don’t be too sure. I am a product of a Catholic school, which accepted Hindus and Jewish children. They had to sit through religion class, which was not a problem with the parents. The school did not have to deal with same sex parents, which is the issue we are talking about.
In Catholic schools now, which may be accepting Muslims, I would bet that no Muslim child from a Muslim family has same sex parents. For all the differences between Catholics and Muslims, the traditional family consisting of a father and mother is a point of agreement. Also true with abortion.
No rant. You are reading anger in place of conviction. But I apologize if it came across as anger.
To answer your specific questions on what I would do:
If I knew before hand that a book out of 150 for the year with a depiction of gay parents will be read, I probably would say something to the school that I would not want my child sitting in class for that day. If I was not given notice, how can I decide? If I found out after the fact, I would voice my disagreement, so the school knows my position.
If the school has a policy or practice to promote homosexual relations or behavior, I would certainly move my child.
I already covered bullying and unkind treatment towards gays in school in the thread, but you probably don’t remember or you glossed over them. I do not want any kid, gay or straight, to be bullied. No to the hurtful name calling, as well. My brother was called those names in the school yard, and I learned later that it hurt him very much.
If my child is the offending party, I expect him to be reprimanded, and I would stand behind the school’s admonition.
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Aahh …you will engage only in subjects you are comfortable with. Okay, point made clear. I asked because you made an opening there, with an emphasis about SOME gay causes.
Of course, Catholics start threads on a Catholic forum. There are Catholics and Christians who may need re-affirmation of beliefs, which are certainly under attack from the moral relativists, atheists, and agnostics (I’m sorry to say). If it weren’t for threads like this, I would not come across video clips like that by Peter Kreef, which Ed most kindly shared with us. For myself, anyway, I have no desire in signing up for discussion in an Atheist / Agnostic Forum.
As Ed and Buffalo reminded us, we are all sinners.
Have a good evening, larkin.
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This reply had nothing to do with our topic here.Aahh …you will engage only in subjects you are comfortable with. Okay, point made clear. I asked because you made an opening there, with an emphasis about SOME gay causes.
Of course, Catholics start threads on a Catholic forum. There are Catholics and Christians who may need re-affirmation of beliefs, which are certainly under attack from the moral relativists, atheists, and agnostics (I’m sorry to say). If it weren’t for threads like this, I would not come across video clips like that by Peter Kreef, which Ed most kindly shared with us. For myself, anyway, I have no desire in signing up for discussion in an Atheist / Agnostic Forum.
As Ed and Buffalo reminded us, we are all sinners.
Have a good evening, larkin… .
Maybe someone else will get us back on track.
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Here is where I asked a question directly on the topic of anti-bullying messages in school and the teaching of literature that does not criticize gay life.
Anyone else can answer if InSearchOf does not wish to.
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I will give you InSearchOfGrace’s answer again
And I agree completely with what St. Francis said above
It is ridiculous to single out one group being bullied and make that one even more important. I grew up poor, with high-water hand-me-down pants, wal-mart shirts, 20-30 dollar shoes, and got made fun of constantly for that. Should there have been a rule that said “If we hear you making fun of the poor people, we will send you home immediately” if there was already a rule against mocking/insulting other students? Absolutely not.
And InSearch had a good question about your support of “some” gay causes that you refused to answer. I feel that your refusal shows your general acceptance and support of the homosexual agenda (and any honest person would admit that it is an agenda as even well intended attempts at change are an agenda). As such, your opinions on this matter hold far less weight than if you truly did only support “some” causes, thus showing your discernment of what, in your opinion, would be right or wrong as opposed to your seemingly wholesale acceptance of anything that appears humanistic.
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Who said that ONLY one group was singled out? You are assuming this. The rule you state IS the basis of harassment policy. Then, in teaching children, teachers ALSO have to break down cultural biases against certain forms of harassment that are MORE EASILY tolerated and excused because of cultural prejudice. We make EXAMPLES of bad behavior and specifically target them when they occur,
I don’t care what you think about my opinions on other topics. I am only here discussing school anti-bullying policies, with which I am very familiar and in which I participate every year. I have no idea why you would need to know what I think about OTHER gay political agenda topics to have an open and respectful discussion on classroom anti-bullying programs.
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The thread is the homosexual agenda, and anti-bullying in schools became a relevant sub-topic. There were other topics raised that you gave your opinion on. You can check your posts. The question or statement is saying that you promote wholesale the gay agenda, that there is no issue that homosexual activists proffer and pursue (aggressively) that you do not agree with. If you have a single issue, at least, that differ, which might that be? That is, to prove your statement that you only promote SOME gay agenda issues in the promotion of justice. If you actually have an issue or issues that prove your point, they will still be relevant to the topic of homosexual agenda.
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As I said, I don’t care whether you take my personal claim to be true about the limits of my support for ALL the things that various gay groups have sought. I am sure that I don’t even know what all gay causes seek or stand for. I am not actually all that curious, nor am I all that politically inclined even to find out.
Who cares? The only reason I said anything about gay causes was because I was charged with supporting them all by someone who clearly does not know me and does not know what they are talking about and is overgeneralizing from a few topics here at CA.Is there nothing more here, then, about bullying programs in schools?
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