The homosexual state of mind: Marriage isn't about a man & woman but love & love

[Stephen168]

who had a “gay ol’ time” watching the Flintstones,

I don’t believe that

Oh, but I did.

don “gay apparel

I don’t believe that

Oh, but I did.

I didn’t call you a liar directly,

not directly,Oh but you did.

If you told someone you were gay, they’d automatically assume you were a homosexual.

I never said I told people I was gay; re-read my post very slowly. But if I told my wife I was gay, she would not think I was homosexual. Now please stop calling me a liar. Are you from Scotland?

 

[Debora123]

In context, yes. Out of context, it’s bad taste, not to mention the other factors I mentioned in my earlier post regarding context, gratuitous mentions, and freqency. It has nothing to do with “thinking lower.” I assume that everyone knows I’m a sinner, simply because I’m human. (If they never observed me committing a sin.) And I assume that they don’t “think less of me” for that, given everyone’s struggles with behavior, universally.

I guess I don’t really see in what “context” it would be wrong for a chaste homosexual to share this information. I know I’ve seen multiple people like that giving interviews on EWTN regarding their orientation and their life style choices.

 

[buffalo]

It’s a personal decision whether or not someone wants to come out and tell their story and talk about their struggles. I don’t think it’s our place to think any lower of a chaste homosexual for being open and honest about themselves if it helps them heal or find closure.

Intentions are key.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

There are a number of same sex attracted persons here on CAF who live a chaste and fulfilling life. You should ask them.

But at least they’re open about it. They’re not living a lie.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

It’s a personal decision whether or not someone wants to come out and tell their story and talk about their struggles. I don’t think it’s our place to think any lower of a chaste homosexual for being open and honest about themselves if it helps them heal or find closure.

Yes but theres no reason to go around touting that youre gay if youre not, even if you just have homosexual feelings.

Just as everytime we are tempted to do wrong, we dont go touting that we are being tempted by this sin, or that sin, or this other sin. Theres no need to “come out” unless we intend on declaring that we are living the life of a thief, adulterer, liar, gay, or whatever it may be.

 

[Stephen168]

You mean like marriage?

 

[Elizabeth502]

I guess I don’t really see in what “context” it would be wrong for a chaste homosexual to share this information.

I made that clear in my longer post this morning. (What the contexts indicate.)

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Oh, but I did.
Now please stop calling me a liar. Are you from Scotland?

No. England, actually.

And, if I offended you that badly, I apologise. I’m sorry for what I said. It’s not relevant to the discussion anyway.

 

[Stephen168]

No. England, actually.

I don’t believe you

 

[Regular_Atheist]

I don’t believe you

I actually did laugh at that. I guess you showed me. :clapping:

However, that doesn’t mean that the accepted definition of gay is the one you use.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Yes but theres no reason to go around touting that youre gay if youre not, even if you just have homosexual feelings.

Just as everytime we are tempted to do wrong, we dont go touting that we are being tempted by this sin, or that sin, or this other sin. Theres no need to “come out” unless we intend on declaring that we are living the life of a thief, adulterer, liar, gay, or whatever it may be.

…and that audience has a Need to Know. It is relevant --(The audience being a priest, a therapist, a district attorney, a potential spouse, the viewers of a TV program on “Coming Out,” etc.)

It is poor taste, not to mention of little use, to engage in public psychotherapy or public spiritual direction, whether anonymously or not.

And if that’s not the motive, then the motive is suspect. (Is the motive polemic?)

Also, one of the aspects of charity is not to make other people inappropriately feel that they need to “do something” (or “feel guilty”) about my personal angst, if they are not directly involved in that angst.

 

[Debora123]

Intentions are key.

Very true, though the way I see it, if a person has enough self respect and good faith to remain chaste as a homosexual, they probably wouldn’t be the type of person who would be open about their struggles for a bad intention. I don’t even see how that could happen, honestly.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Yes but theres no reason to go around touting that youre gay if youre not, even if you just have homosexual feelings.

Just as everytime we are tempted to do wrong, we dont go touting that we are being tempted by this sin, or that sin, or this other sin. Theres no need to “come out” unless we intend on declaring that we are living the life of a thief, adulterer, liar, gay, or whatever it may be.

You do realise that homosexuality is only wrong based on your religious beliefs, right? I dislike the idea that homosexuality being wrong is an objective principle.

However, I would agree that it’d probably be best for homosexuals to remain closeted when it comes to folks like you.

 

[Debora123]

Yes but theres no reason to go around touting that youre gay if youre not, even if you just have homosexual feelings.

Just as everytime we are tempted to do wrong, we dont go touting that we are being tempted by this sin, or that sin, or this other sin. Theres no need to “come out” unless we intend on declaring that we are living the life of a thief, adulterer, liar, gay, or whatever it may be.

So you think the homosexual people being interviewed on EWTN were “touting”??

(I won’t argue about the “gay” thing anymore. at this point it’s just become a silly argument about semantics)

 

[Stephen168]

I actually did laugh at that. I guess you showed me. :clapping:

However, that doesn’t mean that the accepted definition of gay is the one you use.

I didn’t say it was. I just said I personally never use the word “gay” to mean homosexual, I prefer the definition of my early childhood. Then you wanted to get contrary; are you sure you’re not from Scotland?

 

[Regular_Atheist]

I didn’t say it was. I just said I personally never use the word “gay” to mean homosexual, I prefer the definition of my early childhood. Then you wanted to get contrary; are you sure you’re not from Scotland?

Wait, I’ll go check.

EDIT: Yes, I certainly live in England.

 

[CopticChristian]

No - it is the consequence of prior free will choices is my point. We can take that all the way back to Adam to illustrate the point I am getting at.

**We are beginning to see the epigenetic influence with a parent who smoked.

Having said all that, it seems the homosexual outcome is linked to early childhood. An alcoholic may carry an epigenetic predisposition to **it that shows up as a weakness toward it and therefore has higher odds succumbing to it. I have no facts on the epigenetic part, just musing.

Bufallo,

I suggest you be cautious in suggesting anything about epigenetics. I have read the stuff and it is in need of further study. A study I read even says…results not conclusive and should be repeated…

Glad you brought up somoking…

Perhaps you also smoke, drink too much, take drugs, eat too much, or shop beyond your means. Undoubtedly you’ve been told, as we all have, that this problem is a disease for which you must seek medical treatment or join a support group—something that perhaps you have resisted doing. You see and hear this message in so many places—in school, in the media, from government organizations, and from treatment providers—that you may not even ask yourself whether it’s accurate. But if you thought about it for a few minutes, you’d realize it just isn’t so.

People quit addictions on their own all the time. We all know this is the case. How many people do you know who quit cigarettes, the most common and the most powerful of drug addictions? Did you do so? In the United States, tens of millions of people have quit smoking without treatment, about half of those who have ever smoked.

Surprisingly, the percentage of former heroin, cocaine, and alcohol addicts who have quit on their own is even higher. Yet an enormous treatment/recovery industry, backed by a large government bureaucracy, tells us that it is virtually impossible to quit an addiction—and completely impossible to do so without the use of all their services.

from Stanton Peele, PhD…

You will see those on other threads using epigenetics to prove handedness, ie left hand and homosexuality as the reason for being…

Genes are genes…proclivity to act does not procivity to change action.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

No. England, actually.

And, if I offended you that badly, I apologise. I’m sorry for what I said. It’s not relevant to the discussion anyway.

So you think the homosexual people being interviewed on EWTN were “touting”??

(I won’t argue about the “gay” thing anymore. at this point it’s just become a silly argument about semantics)

The people on EWTN are not boasting of their sinful lifestyle, because obviously theyre on EWTN. Im referring to general mass gays who go to rallies and the ones who tell the world boastfully, not the people with homosexual feelings in EWTN that are there to give insight. The people on EWTN are not boasting nor are they “coming out”, theyre being interviewed.

 

[buffalo]

But at least they’re open about it. They’re not living a lie.

Choosing not to share is not living a lie. That is a choice.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

You will see those on other threads using epigenetics to prove handedness, ie left hand and homosexuality as the reason for being…

Genes are genes…proclivity to act does not procivity to change action.

Are you comparing homosexuality to smoking? I’m confused.