The homosexual state of mind: Marriage isn't about a man & woman but love & love

[Regular_Atheist]

I hope that you find out how much God loves you and repent before you die. I’m not being judgmental since I can admit that I often struggle with sin and hope that I will have the grace to be sorry for my sins and be in a state of grace at the moment of my death. Every time our heart beats is not by our own doing but because God wills it. And our heart can stop beating at any moment when we least expect it. We didn’t get into this world on our own. I don’t know how old you are, but I’m old enough to have seen a lot of people leave this world. I’ve even been to the funeral for a one month old baby. So I know how short and fragile this life is. There’s no comparison between the time in this world and the length of eternity.

Oh, dear. Pascal’s Wager.

The problem with that is Christianity is not the only religion. What if Islam is the true religion, and I burn in Hell for not worshipping Allah? Or Buddhism? Or Hinduism? Or any of the others? What if your subdivision of Christianity is wrong, and I should actually be a Protestant? Surely I’ll go to Hell then, too?

The fact is, not all religions can be true. But they can all be wrong, and there’s nothing to suggest any of them are true.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

That is a typical assertion of liberals. If you don’t feel the way I do, then you are narrow minded. It is the way of politics. The Democratic party focuses on pandering to every special interest group including homosexuals, mexicans, blacks, women, etc. and everyone who doesn’t agree with the democrats is narrow minded and even racist, mysoginistic, homophobic, and etc. Sling insults and you make the other person look like a jerk who can’t be trusted.

What? He accused me of being narrow minded wrongly, as he obviously didn’t understand what it meant. I was simply showing him that, if anything, it applies more to him than me.

 

[livingwordunity]

Oh, dear. Pascal’s Wager.

God still loves you even when you don’t love him.

 

[buffalo]

Regular Atheist - I can offer you a few things:

Why the retention rate is so low for atheists -
Study: Atheists Have Lowest ‘Retention Rate’ Compared to Religious Groups

and

The Irrational Atheist - debunks many of the popular myths

 

[CopticChristian]

Who made you a biologist? Besides, you obviously failed to read what I wrote. I didn’t say it being natural made it moral. it just means it’s natural - nothing more, nothing less. Also, tell me, if everything unnatural is evil, do you also regard eyeglasses, central heating and mobile phones as immoral?

Reliable source, please. I thought it normally disappeared a lot earlier if it’s a phase. And this doesn’t mean much, as many homosexuals keep SSA through their entire life. Just ask Stephen Fry. Or Ted Haggard (who, despite his “ex-gay” treatment, says he would identify as a bisexual).

They weren’t designed.

Regular,

I am a biologist…I was made one after finishing school…:bounce:

So, you observe nature, that is good.

Do you or anyone you know eat your own feces or the feces of your parents…just a question as to what you do and what nature holds…since I was made/educated a biologist and you observe nature…let me know…

 

[buffalo]

Who made you a biologist? Besides, you obviously failed to read what I wrote. I didn’t say it being natural made it moral. it just means it’s natural - nothing more, nothing less. Also, tell me, if everything unnatural is evil, do you also regard eyeglasses, central heating and mobile phones as immoral?

Reliable source, please. I thought it normally disappeared a lot earlier if it’s a phase. And this doesn’t mean much, as many homosexuals keep SSA through their entire life. Just ask Stephen Fry. Or Ted Haggard (who, despite his “ex-gay” treatment, says he would identify as a bisexual).

They weren’t designed.

I got what you said. It is not natural is what I was pointing out.

These examples do not make the point.

There a many ex-homosexuals in society living normal lives with wives and children. Sure many keep it during their life, for different reasons. One being rebellion. Acting on SSA is the issue.

 

[timotheos]

How can I tackle this whole idea that marriage is between “love and love” without being judgmental or mean but at the same time showing it’s weakness on describing the courtship of marriage?

We can blame our own insufficient language. As for marriage, you can paraphrase Tina Turner (“what’s love got to do with it?”). Really. The kind of love about which she sings might loosely be considered “eros” in latin, and indeed, what should eros have to do with marriage? When eros dies, many modern-day marriages die. Unless the marriage was based on a different type of love – agape – then love has everything to do with it. Agape holds everything together in the worst of times.

Modern-day marriages are mostly based on eros, as are same-sex relationships. Therein lies the problem.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

God still loves you even when you don’t love him.

And yet he’d still be prepared to roast me alive for eternity.

Some love.

Regular Atheist - I can offer you a few things:

Why the retention rate is so low for atheists -
Study: Atheists Have Lowest ‘Retention Rate’ Compared to Religious Groups

and

The Irrational Atheist - debunks many of the popular myths

Oh, a survey done by the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate? I’m sure it’s very unbiased. Not.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

I got what you said. It is not natural is what I was pointing out.

These examples do not make the point.

There a many ex-homosexuals in society living normal lives with wives and children. Sure many keep it during their life, for different reasons. One being rebellion. Acting on SSA is the issue.

Really? Because I can name you examples of “ex-gay” men who were not so straight after all:

Christopher Austin (got 10 years for sexually assaulting male clients)

Michael Bussee (co-founder of Exodus International, one of the largest ex-gay groups; has since been a major critic of such groups and is now married to the other co-founder, Gary Cooper)

Richard Cohen (though he doesn’t admit that he’s relapsed, he has taken trips to New York to cheat on his wife with men)

Michael Johnston (founded the now-defunct ex-gay movement called Kerusso Ministries, contacted gay men online and attended gay parties where he had unsafe sex and “forgot” to tell his partners that he had HIV.)

John Paulk (after being “cured”, went to a DC gay club to celebrate this fact with other gays).

Also, by definition homosexuality is natural, as it is found in nature.

Regular,

I am a biologist…I was made one after finishing school…:bounce:

So, you observe nature, that is good.

Do you or anyone you know eat your own feces or the feces of your parents…just a question as to what you do and what nature holds…since I was made/educated a biologist and you observe nature…let me know…

Like I said, it being natural doesn’t prove it’s moral. It just means you can’t claim it’s unnatural, is all.

And, coprophilia is a fetish that exists amongst humans. Don’t Google it, whatever you do.

Coming off for tonight, folks. if you have any other arguments about homosexuality I’ll try to reply to them tommorow. See ya!

 

[livingwordunity]

And yet he’d still be prepared to roast me alive for eternity.

Some love.

You don’t understand the true concept of Hell which is eternal separation from God. You are choosing separation from God now by being an avowed atheist. Right now, you don’t want anything to do with God. So if you die in that state, God will grant you your wish. The thing is that whether you realize it or not, everything that is good comes from God. So eternal separation from God means eternal separation from all that is good, things like love, comfort, and joy.

Satan has already lost the game. He knows he can’t go after God, so he goes after us because misery loves company. His attack is psychological, and he exploits our fears and emotions. His goal is to confuse us with lies to convince us that he is our friend and that God is our enemy. Seraphims are called the burning ones because they are the ones who are highest in the orders of angels and the ones closest to God’s inner circle. The fire of Hell has to do with being joined to the mystical body of Satan, a Seraphim angel gone bad.

God uses people to get his message of truth across, and Satan uses wicked people to spread lies.

 

[Debora123]

No matter what definition of marriage happens to exist, this could still be said for it - “It is what it is.” So it doesn’t even qualify as an argument. Heck, when gay marriage becomes law in this country, this will be my answer to you - “Marriage is what it is. It really is that simple.”

How else am I supposed to argue with someone who wants the rest of the world to think a duck is a horse??

Forget morality, to call one thing something that it is not is simply incorrect.

 

[ASimon]

How else am I supposed to argue with someone who wants the rest of the world to think a duck is a horse??

Forget morality, to call one thing something that it is not is simply incorrect.

I sympathize. I’m the one stuck arguing with people who think the purpose of the gay rights movement is to force a new definition of marriage on religious people. It’s tough all over.

 

[Debora123]

I sympathize. I’m the one stuck arguing with people who think the purpose of the gay rights movement is to force a new definition of marriage on religious people. It’s tough all over.

Well I never said any of that.

I just think that if a homosexual couple want to give some sort of official label to their relationship, they need to come up with a term of their own to define their arrangement. It has nothing to do with religious people.

Though I will admit that I don’t LIKE it when people (gay or not) bash Christianity for its beliefs regarding marriage. But I think gay people who do this are mainly in the minority.

 

[ASimon]

Well I never said any of that.

I just think that if a homosexual couple want to give some sort of official label to their relationship, they need to come up with a term of their own to define their arrangement. It has nothing to do with religious people.

So why do you care at all if they don’t come up with their own word?

 

[CrimsonThorn]

Who made you a biologist? Besides, you obviously failed to read what I wrote. I didn’t say it being natural made it moral. it just means it’s natural - nothing more, nothing less. Also, tell me, if everything unnatural is evil, do you also regard eyeglasses, central heating and mobile phones as immoral?

And do you regard everything that is natural to be good? Cancer, AIDs, disease in general, deformities, etc.? Perhaps we should stop treating people for this and accept them and be proud of these things the way society values homosexuality?

 

[Debora123]

So why do you care at all if they don’t come up with their own word?

Haven’t we already been over this?

If they like to think of themselves as married, or call themselves married, that’s fine with me. Obviously it’s their own free will, and whether it’s right or wrong, it’s none of my business what they do behind closed doors.

It becomes an issue when they want to make “marriage” their official, legal label. Because then we’re all forced to acknowledge their relationship as a marriage when it is not.

 

[Debora123]

And do you regard everything that is natural to be good? Cancer, AIDs, disease in general, deformities, etc.? Perhaps we should stop treating people for this and accept them and be proud of these things the way society values homosexuality?

Honestly, I think it’s quite pointless and counter productive to argue with an atheist on the morality of homosexual behavior. They have no reason to think it’s wrong because they don’t have the same beliefs we do regarding God’s plan for human sexuality.

 

[ASimon]

Haven’t we already been over this?

If they like to think of themselves as married, or call themselves married, that’s fine with me. Obviously it’s their own free will, and whether it’s right or wrong, it’s none of my business what they do behind closed doors.

It becomes an issue when they want to make “marriage” their official, legal label. Because then we’re all forced to acknowledge their relationship as a marriage when it is not.

No, you’re not. In that case, only the government - the secular government that is legally bound not to legislate on the basis of your faith or anyone else’s - is bound to acknowledge their legal relationships as marriage. You don’t have to. You can insist all you want that it isn’t marriage and never will be. Your churches, in turn, can hold the same opinion, while declining to recognize and sanctify gay relationships as “marriages.”

As long as you accept the undeniable premise that the government and the rest of society don’t exist to act as a rubber stamp for religious faith, it’s impossible for you to lose this argument. The only way you can lose this argument is if you believe the rest of us are only put on this earth to agree with you.

 

[CopticChristian]

Really? Because I can name you examples of “ex-gay” men who were not so straight after all:

Christopher Austin (got 10 years for sexually assaulting male clients)

Michael Bussee (co-founder of Exodus International, one of the largest ex-gay groups; has since been a major critic of such groups and is now married to the other co-founder, Gary Cooper)

Richard Cohen (though he doesn’t admit that he’s relapsed, he has taken trips to New York to cheat on his wife with men)

Michael Johnston (founded the now-defunct ex-gay movement called Kerusso Ministries, contacted gay men online and attended gay parties where he had unsafe sex and “forgot” to tell his partners that he had HIV.)

John Paulk (after being “cured”, went to a DC gay club to celebrate this fact with other gays).

Also, by definition homosexuality is natural, as it is found in nature.

Like I said, it being natural doesn’t prove it’s moral. It just means you can’t claim it’s unnatural, is all.

And, coprophilia is a fetish that exists amongst humans. Don’t Google it, whatever you do.

Coming off for tonight, folks. if you have any other arguments about homosexuality I’ll try to reply to them tommorow. See ya!

Regular,

You miss the point…you say that you observe something in nature and therefore it is natural…look and see what animals eat feces…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophagia

It is observed in nature and yet we do not have people asking for rights that others don’t have because they eat feces…

Next you must ask yourself this…what makes humans different than animals…this is a trick question…

 

[Debora123]

No, you’re not. In that case, only the government - the secular government that is legally bound not to legislate on the basis of your faith or anyone else’s - is bound to acknowledge their legal relationships as marriage. You don’t have to. You can insist all you want that it isn’t marriage and never will be. Your churches, in turn, can hold the same opinion, while declining to recognize and sanctify gay relationships as “marriages.”

Mmmm, nah it doesn’t quite work that way. Nice try though.

As long as you accept the undeniable premise that the government and the rest of society don’t exist to act as a rubber stamp for religious faith, it’s impossible for you to lose this argument. The only way you can lose this argument is if you believe the rest of us are only put on this earth to agree with you.

I’m not sure why you keep bringing up religion. I am deliberately keeping religion OUT of this because I understand that not everyone has the same religion as me.