The homosexual state of mind: Marriage isn't about a man & woman but love & love

[CopticChristian]

Hi Coptic, I live in a country with universal health coverage but I’m not sure what that has to do with this topic. My son is gay, it’s a fact, and there’s nothing wrong with saying that. The Church says that homosexuals are sinning if they act on their homosexuality – the Church doesn’t say there is no such thing as homosexuality.

Elizabeth, I don’t define my son by his sexuality any more than I define him by his tallness or his grumpiness in the mornings. He is smart, kind, funny, hard-working, and very much loved. He also happens to be gay. An internet forum is not the same as one’s daily life and I don’t burst into rooms announcing that my son is gay or say ‘my gay son’ when talking about my children. Equally it is not some secret that I feel I must hide and never mention to anyone. It all depends. I suspect you know that though.

Another poster commented that the ‘predisposition’ to homosexuality is because of prior poor choices by parents and I was commenting on that, and asking for more information as I think I have probably misunderstood what was meant.

Go,

All I asked, without any judgement, is that you refer to other than “gay” and I gave a reason…

These are all separate instances of your postings referencing “gay”

As the mother of a gay child, I find some of the posts in this thread hurtful and uncharitable. Josh is gay but he is married to a woman,

Johnny, there have always been gay people marrying straight people. Some were ‘marriages of convenience’ right from the start.

You seem to be saying that gay men want ‘sex’ with men and I don’t think that’s the case. I think it’s that their romantic feelings, their feelings of ‘oh I like this person and want to be with them’ happen with the people of the same sex.

This is such a hard time for you, I know that because I have a gay son. Can you try to remember a few things?

Johnny, I think you’re right about some (I wouldn’t say many) straight women believing they can ‘save’ a gay man.

We will never know how many marriages between gay men and straight women have worked.

I have a gay son and while I readily acknowledge my husband and I may not have always been perfect as parents, who is? We certainly were and are ‘good enough’ parents by any reasonable measure. None of our other children are gay.

I propose that perpetuating the notion of “gay” does not fit the notion of heterosexual with homosexual attraction. This is Church teaching. I also believe that perpetuating the use of the word “gay” confirms the homosexual agenda activists. This is explained by…

josephnicolosi.com/gay-as-self-reinvention/

“Gay” is Not “Homosexual”

First, let’s begin with the understanding that I will not be speaking about the person who struggles with same-sex attraction, but rather the gay-identified person–which is to say, that person who is ego-invested and personally identified with the idea that homosexual behavior is as normal and natural as heterosexual behavior.

Secondly, I wish to clarify my belief that there is no such thing as a gay person. Gay is a fictitious identity seized upon by an individual to resolve painful emotional challenges. The man who recognizes that he has a homosexual problem and struggles to overcome it is not “gay.” He is, simply, “homosexual.”

To believe in the concept of a gay identity as valid, a person must necessarily deny significant aspects of human reality. The foundation typically begins with a significant denial of human reality during early childhood.

It is my opinion that word usage can and does influence our thinking and behavior and the use of the word “gay” is fact, the fact is your son is a heterosexual with homosexual attraction.

That is all I am saying…You do as you wish…understand that there are many viewing this thread and they read and understand but do not post…It is not only for you that I write but for them…You may not choose to accept this, you may not choose to change, yet there are some that will weigh what is said and understand that it is best not to perpetuate this notion of “gay”…

Lastly, the OP says that the question is “The Homosexual state of mind…”…not the “Gay state of mind…”

Thank you…

 

[Debora123]

Go,

All I asked, without any judgement, is that you refer to other than “gay” and I gave a reason…

These are all separate instances of your postings referencing “gay”

I propose that perpetuating the notion of “gay” does not fit the notion of heterosexual with homosexual attraction. This is Church teaching. I also believe that perpetuating the use of the word “gay” confirms the homosexual agenda activists. This is explained by…

josephnicolosi.com/gay-as-self-reinvention/

“Gay” is Not “Homosexual”

It is my opinion that word usage can and does influence our thinking and behavior and the use of the word “gay” is fact, the fact is your son is a heterosexual with homosexual attraction.

That is all I am saying…You do as you wish…understand that there are many viewing this thread and they read and understand but do not post…It is not only for you that I write but for them…You may not choose to accept this, you may not choose to change, yet there are some that will weigh what is said and understand that it is best not to perpetuate this notion of “gay”…

Lastly, the OP says that the question is “The Homosexual state of mind…”…not the “Gay state of mind…”

Thank you…

“Gay” is simply a neutral descriptive slang word that means homosexual. Just as “straight” is a neutral descriptive slang word that means heterosexual.

Whether or not the person using the word “gay” has some sort of agenda or is degrading a person’s wholeness, depends on the user’s intention. As I said, I highly doubt Go is doing any of these things.

And with all due respect, I also don’t think it was proper to exploit a bunch of Go’s past comments from other threads by laying them all out like that. It is clear she’s opening herself up and making herself vulnerable by sharing this very personal and delicate information with us.

Perhaps showing a bit more sensitivity would be better, IMHO.

 

[CopticChristian]

“Gay” is simply a neutral descriptive slang word that means homosexual. Just as “straight” is a neutral descriptive slang word that means heterosexual.

Whether or not the person using the word “gay” has some sort of agenda or is degrading a person’s wholeness, depends on the user’s intention. As I said, I highly doubt Go is doing any of these things.

And with all due respect, I also don’t think it was proper to exploit a bunch of Go’s past comments from other threads by all laying them all out like that. It is clear she’s opening herself up and making herself vulnerable by sharing this very personal and delicate information with us.

Perhaps showing a bit more sensitivity would be better, IMHO.

Debora,

You don’t need to rescue, Go can speak for herself. Thanks for your opinion.

 

[Debora123]

It is my opinion that word usage can and does influence our thinking and behavior and the use of the word “gay” is fact, the fact is your son is a heterosexual with homosexual attraction.

Now that I don’t agree with, and neither does it make any logical sense.

 

[Debora123]

Debora,

You don’t need to rescue, Go can speak for herself. Thanks for your opinion.

Though I can speak for myself too, there are times when I wish people would speak up for me in these forums.

I guess it depends on the person.

 

[CopticChristian]

Though I can speak for myself too, there are times when I wish people would speak up for me in these forums.

I guess it depends on the person.

Debora,

Give me the heads up and I will speak up for you. I only do that when asked.

 

[CopticChristian]

“Gay” is simply a neutral descriptive slang word that means homosexual. Just as “straight” is a neutral descriptive slang word that means heterosexual.

**Whether or not the person using the word “gay” has some sort of agenda or is degrading a person’s wholeness, depends on the user’s intention. **As I said, I highly doubt Go is doing any of these things.

And with all due respect, I also don’t think it was proper to exploit a bunch of Go’s past comments from other threads by laying them all out like that. It is clear she’s opening herself up and making herself vulnerable by sharing this very personal and delicate information with us.

Perhaps showing a bit more sensitivity would be better, IMHO.

Debra of many numbers,

All I asked, without any judgement, is that you refer to other than “gay” and I gave a reason…

You will see if you read that I carefully crafted my statement without judgement and said that using these terms lends credence to the notion of an agenda…not suggesting that the person has an agenda. If you can abstract my judging Go, then let me have it…I made an introductory statement, made my point, registered an opinion and registered a request…

Now if you find something there I did not offer…let me have it…:blackeye:

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Go,

All I asked, without any judgement, is that you refer to other than “gay” and I gave a reason…

These are all separate instances of your postings referencing “gay”

I propose that perpetuating the notion of “gay” does not fit the notion of heterosexual with homosexual attraction. This is Church teaching. I also believe that perpetuating the use of the word “gay” confirms the homosexual agenda activists. This is explained by…

josephnicolosi.com/gay-as-self-reinvention/

“Gay” is Not “Homosexual”

It is my opinion that word usage can and does influence our thinking and behavior and the use of the word “gay” is fact, the fact is your son is a heterosexual with homosexual attraction.

Then he is a bisexual. However, if he is not attracted to women but only men, then he is certainly a homosexual.

homosexual - (of a person) Sexually attracted to people of one’s own sex.

 

[CopticChristian]

Then he is a bisexual. However, if he is not attracted to women but only men, then he is certainly a homosexual.

homosexual - (of a person) Sexually attracted to people of one’s own sex.

Then for correctness…heterosexual, with same sex attraction that may be called bisexual.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

“People like me?” Can you enlighten me further on just what you mean by that? And there are people who have educated themselves for their entire lives on theology, God, and other spiritual studies, and have not found evidence to prove themselves wrong, but right. Do you agree that their faith is also not blind?

Yes, I agree. It is only natural to put trust in people who you believe know what they are talking about, especially via the internet or a book.

How generous of you. Someone seems to be allergic to being proved wrong, That certainly colors your other arguments most…interestingly.

I admitted I was wrong. What are you saying? Why are you trying to insult me? I was wrong, and I admit to it. I was given false information, and I admit to it. Please, can I have an apology for your attempt at insulting me?

A. “I’ve met homosexuals who don’t care and are happy about the way things are now.”
B." Marriage isn’t just for children anymore!!"

…erm…what? For one, until men can have babies with each other, sure it is…and two, you do realize that your two statements up there clash like peanut butter and tuna fish on the same sandwich, right?

No, they don’t. There are many benefits to marriage, and not all of them affect the upbringing of a child. Many of them are exclusive to the married couple. I don’t really see how those two quotes of mine conflict in anyway.

Also, you do realise women can become pregnant outside of marriage, right? Marriage isn’t required to make a women pregnant.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Then for correctness…heterosexual, with same sex attraction that may be called bisexual.

Lol. You’re a funny guy. :clapping:

By definition, he is either a homosexual or a bisexual. If someone has homosexual attraction, it is impossible for them to be considered a heterosexual.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

Though I can speak for myself too, there are times when I wish people would speak up for me in these forums.

I guess it depends on the person.

It makes sense because using the word Gay means you are living the lifestyle

A person with homosexual feelings is not Gay, unless he proclaims he is living the lifestyle.

 

[Charles_Monroe]

Here are a couple of reasons why same-sex marriage should be legalized:

1. Two people with a mind to do so will have sexual intercourse whether you like it or not. It may as well be within matrimony.
2. I highly doubt any gay couple will have an abortion.
3. They would stop seeing you as bigots and pompous snobs.
   and 4. Some of them really aren’t gay. They just need to figure themselves out. Though on accident, I recently turned a lesbian friend of mine straight by being sweet and caring.

 

[Stephen168]

I guess you could argue that, with all the other benefits marriage brings, it can’t really be considered just for children anymore.

What benefits have changed recently which no long make marriage about children?

 

[Stephen168]

Here are a couple of reasons why same-sex marriage should be legalized:
2. I highly doubt any gay couple will have an abortion.

Explain

 

[CrimsonThorn]

Here are a couple of reasons why same-sex marriage should be legalized:

1. Two people with a mind to do so will have sexual intercourse whether you like it or not. It may as well be within matrimony.
2. I highly doubt any gay couple will have an abortion.
3. They would stop seeing you as bigots and pompous snobs.
   and 4. Some of them really aren’t gay. They just need to figure themselves out. Though on accident, I recently turned a lesbian friend of mine straight by being sweet and caring.

At point 1, no one is trying to control their actions.

Catholics just wont play by gays’ definition of marriage and wont acknowledge it as such. That is all.

 

[Stephen168]

Here are a couple of reasons why same-sex marriage should be legalized:
4. Some of them really aren’t gay.

Explain

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Stephen, that was simply bad wording. What I should have said was that there are benefits that mean that marriage was NEVER just about raising children.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

It makes sense because using the word Gay means you are living the lifestyle

A person with homosexual feelings is not Gay, unless he proclaims he is living the lifestyle.

No. Gay means homosexual:

gay - (of a person, esp. a man) Homosexual.

homosexual - (of a person) Sexually attracted to people of one’s own sex.

Therefore, someone who is attracted to people of their own sex is gay.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Explain

Gays can’t get pregnant, and therefore won’t have abortions, and lesbians will only get pregnant via sperm doners when they know they want a baby for sure.

Therefore, no abortions.