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Debora123
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Just a note here, a fertilized egg cell is already a “full human being.”
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Lochias
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Thanks. Thank God for life, is all I can really say.
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Lochias
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Yup, my bad.Just a note here, a fertilized egg cell is already a “full human being.”
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Debora123
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Let’s talk science here.
When a sperm and an egg join together and conceive a new life, in that instant a brand new set of DNA is created that exists nowhere else in the world. Everything about that new life is contained in that single cell…gender, hair color, eye color, allergies, talents, weaknesses, favorite foods, intelligence.
From that point on, that life will be constantly changing until it is ended. Conception and death are the only fixed points on the continuous line of a person’s life. The idea that we can somehow assign an arbitrary point during development where that new life becomes person-like enough to magically “become human” is almost medieval in its naivete and simplicity.
We now have microscopic cameras that can see the miraculous process of that one new cell becoming two, becoming four, becoming eight. If you want to call it a “ball of cells,” you can, because we are all balls of cells. Is it the number of cells, then, that qualifies as a human or not? That too is naive and petty. Whether it’s a single cell, or a 32 cell embryo, or a million cell fetus, or a multi trillion cell adult, it’s still a human life, entirely mapped out.
When a sperm and an egg join together and conceive a new life, in that instant a brand new set of DNA is created that exists nowhere else in the world. Everything about that new life is contained in that single cell…gender, hair color, eye color, allergies, talents, weaknesses, favorite foods, intelligence.
From that point on, that life will be constantly changing until it is ended. Conception and death are the only fixed points on the continuous line of a person’s life. The idea that we can somehow assign an arbitrary point during development where that new life becomes person-like enough to magically “become human” is almost medieval in its naivete and simplicity.
We now have microscopic cameras that can see the miraculous process of that one new cell becoming two, becoming four, becoming eight. If you want to call it a “ball of cells,” you can, because we are all balls of cells. Is it the number of cells, then, that qualifies as a human or not? That too is naive and petty. Whether it’s a single cell, or a 32 cell embryo, or a million cell fetus, or a multi trillion cell adult, it’s still a human life, entirely mapped out.
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CopticChristian
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Just so you know, those that argue in favor of life had good teachers. Life is precious and we have not right to take it. The Catechsim says as much as you have been convinced of. You may want to read what your opposition believes and how they came to that belief.
You may also want to consider that the OHCAC that provided this teaching also provided teaching on other Moral issues. You have been convinced that there is a moral issue. This is good.
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Debora123
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Having little respect for human life has always been an issue within our species.
First it was slavery, then it was segregation, now it’s abortion. Nothing has changed.
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Dawnia
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We’re Catholic. It’s what we do.
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prodigalson2011
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As the saying goes, “The more things change, the more they stay the same!”
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stewstew03
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No, it sounds like hypersexual disorder. We’re “literally made” to impregnate as many women as we can? Are you saying 13-year old boys should begin fatherhood as soon as possible?
This isn’t a serious post, is it Jim? I’m not sure you thought this through before you posted it (probably watching Bill Marr).
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Elizabeth502
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Did you mean Bill Maher? Or am I just not current enough with every media personality?
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stewstew03
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Yes, I did - thanks!Did you mean Bill Maher? Or am I just not current enough with every media personality?
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buffalo
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If I have power I can decide who is human. Do we really want to leave this in the hands of mere mortals? I think not.Oh, your god! I swear you do not get my point!An underdeveloped fetus cannot survive, even if it gets outside help. There. That’s it. Nothing more to discuss.
Anyway, why isn’t abortion entirely justified when it comes to rape?
In any case, we should err on the side of caution. Babies are living and human from conception through death.
Rape - I already answered. One crime is not mitigated by committing another. Why Can’t We Love Them Both?
Must the question “when does human life begin” be answered?
If there is one absolutely essential function of a nation or state, it is to protect the lives of those who live within its boundaries. In order to carry out this solemn duty it must first ask and answer when the life of its people begins.
What intellectual discipline, what method of measurement can we (should we) use in making this fateful definition?
The question of when human life begins is a scientific question. Therefore, we should look to scientific facts rather than philosophic theories or religious beliefs for the answer. We must conclude then that each individual human life begins at the beginning, at fertilization, and that human life is a continuum from that time until death.
What simple measure would you use to define Human Life?
We would ask:
*Is this being alive? *Yes. He has the characteristics of life. That is, he can reproduce his own cells and develop them into a specific pattern of maturity and function. Or more simply, he is not dead.
*Is this being human? *Yes. This is a unique being, distinguishable totally from any other living organism, completely human in all of his or her characteristics, including the 46 human chromosomes, and can develop only into a fully mature human.
*Is this being complete? *Yes. Nothing new will be added from the time of union of sperm and egg until the death of the old man or woman except growth and development of what is already there at the beginning. All he needs is time to develop and mature.
**But what if a person would still sincerely doubt that this is human life in the womb? **
Even if a person did doubt the presence of actual human life in the uterus at a particular time, what would be the fully human way to go? Perhaps a guide would be how we have always treated other human life when there has been a doubt that it exists. Would we not resolve a doubt in favor of life? We do not bury those who are doubtfully dead. We work frantically to help rescue entombed miners, a child lost in the mountains, or a person under a collapsed building. Does a hunter shoot until he knows that it is a deer and not another man? We suggest that the truly human way of thinking would be to give life the benefit of the doubt.
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Regular_Atheist
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Buffalo, if you had read some of my earlier posts you’ll notice that I’m no longer so sure about my pro-choice position. I think I was misinformed, and I no longer think there are any reasonable circumstances for abortion. You guys put up a really good argument this time.
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Regular_Atheist
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It’s quite funny you saying that, seeing as Christianity has been the cause of a lot of that disrespect for human life.
I would say that Christianity has matured, though.Anyway, is there not a thread around here about abortion?
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Lochias
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A lot of people have done a lot of bad things. We’re in the here-and-now.It’s quite funny you saying that, seeing as Christianity has been the cause of a lot of that disrespect for human life.
Anyway, is there not a thread around here about abortion?
If there’s not an active one you’d like to post in, you could certainly start one.
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I tried to help you out of this in post 456Anyway, is there not a thread around here about abortion?
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buffalo
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Wow. Thanks. I appreciate your honesty. It is rare to see.
I am curious though - what was the misinformation and where did you learn it, if you care to share?
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Regular_Atheist
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It was a conclusion I came to when I was completely and utterly uneducated in the matter. I got the idea that a fetus couldn’t be considered human from a number of pro-choice websites, some of them even written by doctors, but they’d completely failed to touch on DNA. Most of their argument came from the fact that they weren’t fully developed yet, and most likely lacked conciousness, but even this doesn’t really work when you consider the fact that we don’t kill people in comas if they have a chance of survival. Their response to this was that those people were in a dormant state of being unconscious, but you could also argue that a fetus is only in a dormant state of unconsciousness - give it a few more months, and it’d be alive as you or me.Wow. Thanks. I appreciate your honesty. It is rare to see.
I am curious though - what was the misinformation and where did you learn it, if you care to share?
So, yeah, all of my arguments were easily rebuked.
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prodigalson2011
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Thank you for sharing this beautiful testimony, Lochias. I am so happy for your family. What a moving story! An uplifting example of how God can bring an even greater good out of evil.
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Debora123
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I agree. Christian people have definitely done some horrible things, just as every other type of people.It’s quite funny you saying that, seeing as Christianity has been the cause of a lot of that disrespect for human life.
Anyway, is there not a thread around here about abortion?
You can search if you’d like, but I don’t think there are any recent ones though.
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