The importance of immigration

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signit said:
We have the right and the responsibility to govern our borders.

Catholic teaching says so,
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Nobody disputes that right. Many of us do dispute the absurd notion that one group of people has any moral right to make a broad piece of the earth off limits to another group. There’s nothing Biblical or Magisterial that condones that practice.
 
blackforest said:
Nobody disputes that right. Many of us do dispute the absurd notion that one group of people has any moral right to make a broad piece of the earth off limits to another group. There’s nothing Biblical or Magisterial that condones that practice.
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I don’t get where you are coming from.

If you have borders, but you let everyone pass through, it really defeats the purpose, no?

I guess the advantage of open borders is that the government doesn’t have to hire border guards or custom agents and things like visas will be obsolete. Considerable piece of change
 
Augustinian said:
If you have borders, but you let everyone pass through, it really defeats the purpose, no?

I guess the advantage of open borders is that the government doesn’t have to hire border guards or custom agents and things like visas will be obsolete. Considerable piece of change
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Why are immigration critics so hung up on misrepresenting us? Nobody here has ever argued for 100% “open borders” with 0% screening.
 
blackforest said:
Why are immigration critics so hung up on misrepresenting us? Nobody here has ever argued for 100% “open borders” with 0% screening.
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Well, what kind of screening would you suggest? Who do you want to let in, and who do you want to ban?

Amnesty proponents have even championed people like MS 13.

Although they have had problems accepting refugees from Cuba.
 
I’m perfectly OK with catch and release, back to their home country.

There is absolutely zero justification to release an illegal immigrant on US soil.
I am not including people who have applied for and passed an initial screen for seeking asylum.
 
Augustinian said:
I think its different if you have folks with attachment to the community, like yourself.
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I assure you that is not the reason. Most people think the welfare of children is kind of important. If it was known that the person may never go by the judge’s office, the decision would be the same. But then most police have more common sense than our current leadership.
 
signit said:
We’re not the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Agreed, and we are less so every year.
reader said:
We are a sovereign nation and are under no obligation to accept foreigners into this land.
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In the same way, God is under no obligation to accept you are me into his presence. Yet he has offered to show us mercy as we show others mercy.

Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

I asked this on another thread (specifically about this mass incarceration of children).
I will issue this challenge. Find one bishop anywhere in the country that supports this particular initiative, and I will concede that it is at least an option someone can morally believe.
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pnewton said:
In the same way, God is under no obligation to accept you are me into his presence. Yet he has offered to show us mercy as we show others mercy.
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And we do show mercy to legit refugees and asylum seekers.
 
Mathew 25:35

For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was an illegall immigrant, and you invited Me in.!
 
pnewton said:
Personally I’m against catch and release for people entering illegally.
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The problem with “catch and release” is that you are talking about releasing people that have no means of support- and it would be unfair to expect the taxpayers to pay for outside housing, food , medical care, children’s education for someone who hasn’t been approved.

Are you willing to give to support these people during their stay here until their cases are adjudicated, or longer if they are approved for residency?
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Augustinian said:
Are you willing to give to support these people during their stay here until their cases are adjudicated, or longer if they are approved for residency?
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It is far better to allow them to work, and help by paying taxes.

You do know, I would assume, that incarceration involves supporting them monetarily, food, housing, medical care, and education. That said, I have, and will, support them, and all I can, that I know and are in need. That should go without saying. I am well aware of the implication of the teaching of Jesus and the sheep and goats.
 
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EvangelistVictor said:
For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was an illegall immigrant , and you invited Me in.!
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We’ll give them food, liquids, and shelter while they are waiting to be deported back to their middle class existence in Mexico.

You should really study up on the UN requirements for refugee status, these are the people Mathew was referring to.
 
Finally got on EWTN today! :))

Watch “Karlo Broussard Gloria Purvis Catholic Answers Live with Brother Victor 6.15.2018” on YouTube
 
There are some good things there. It seems like most people who speak of “just following the law” really has no idea how law enforcement works, much less the options with an unjust law. I think it might help that following the law would have made one both pro-slavery, and before that, a Loyalist. So, there is hardly anything moral or American about an inflexible position. I understand that the former of these might be nostalgic for our AG, and the latter unknown to our President, who does not seem very educated. It is not really an issue with most law enforcement with a simple exercise of common sense and compassion.
 
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