The importance of immigration

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The only change from previous policy put forth by George W. Bush and Barack Obama is the new Trump policy that allows parents and children of those illegally immigrating to be separated at the border
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My understanding is the only cases which this is about are those cases where the Illegal Alien requests asylum status. If the alleged parent doesn’t ask for asylum, the whole matter is processed quickly and the family is back together usually with a few hours and are usually on their way back to their homeland.

However, Asylum Cases take more than 20 days, and this causes the delay.

Right now, it looks like President Trump will be doing the will of the activists and the families will be incarcerated together.
 
Yet when we try to enforce the laws we have we hear screams of outrage no matter what we do.

If you think how the law is being unfairly enforced, got a better idea on how to do enforce it better, preferably one that does not result in screams of outrage?
 
Why can’t people who want to immigrate here apply via legal means?

Lots of people around the world do that. What makes people who come illegally get to have first dibs on being let in ahead of those who applied legally?
 
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I think there already are processes in place for asylum seekers.

My parish helped approved asylum seekers settle down in the country.
 
Some do - mostly they are able because they have advamtages such as money, education, literacy, an American consulate in their country (not all countries have 'em), peace, food in their bellies and so on.
 
blackforest said:
A just path to citizenship.
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These are asylum seekers, they may not want citizenship, only a place to stay until circumstances change.

I know several men who were granted asylum from Iran after the mullahs took over. Their intent was to return to their own country after the situation is resolved over there, not stay in America permanently.
 
A simpler path to asylum would suffice for them, then. It used to take only 60 days. What we’re doing now with up to 5 year delays is new.
 
Sarcelle said:
If you think how the law is being unfairly enforced, got a better idea on how to do enforce it better, preferably one that does not result in screams of outrage?
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or with catch and release, where they are effectively given the right of abode,
in front of everyone else who went through the process.
 
You wrote:
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I don think anyone advocates for open borders. Welcoming illegal immigrants, say by letting them be legal, is not the same as an open border. It is quite the opposite.
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I shouldn’t have said closed borders as that implies something I didn’t mean. But I meant the opposite of open borders, which you think letting anyone in is the opposite of, which I find completely bemusing.
 
Augustinian said:
I know several men who were granted asylum from Iran after the mullahs took over. Their intent was to return to their own country after the situation is resolved over there, not stay in America permanently.
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There is a big difference between a legit asylum seeker and economic migrants exploiting a loophole.
 
this makes me sick…you know what “wop” means? “With out papers.” That’s what we used to call italians. How dare people be so cruel to mexicans trying to do the same thing?
 
I’m all about mercy to the law-abiding.

Federal offenders? Not so much. The kids? It’s not their fault - but honestly, at some point that is the fault of the parent that attempted to cross into the US illegally to start with.

This problem is being dumped on the taxpayer equivalent of a front porch.
Theo520 said:
You should really study up on the UN requirements for refugee status, these are the people Mathew was referring to.
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Exactly.
EvangelistVictor said:
I was an illegall immigrant , and you invited Me in.!
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Reference Theo’s quote above, please. There is a world of difference between an illegal alien (yep, that’s the correct term, just like my permanent resident husband is rightfully referred to as a legal alien) and a legitimate refugee or asylum-seeker.
 
brishen said:
How dare people be so cruel to mexicans trying to do the same thing?
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Most of these people are not Mexicans. Mexicans, when caught on this side of the border illegally, are by agreement deported back to Mexico.
 
blackforest said:
All of them right now, apparently. That’s the Trump administration, however, not the asylees.
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Everyone seeking entry into the US is assumed to be an undesirable. That’s why you spend so much money on forms, records, financial statements, interviews, background checks, medical exams to legitimately come here - it’s on YOU and your sponsor to prove you’re not. Even legal and legit asylees undergo background checks. They’re not just allowed in to wander freely of their own accord. People who apply for entry either come in under the VWP (Visa Waiver Program) using an ESTA clearance - which means they’ve got a scannable passport that we can glean information about them from and they’ve submitted for advance permission to enter - or they’ve submitted preliminary paperwork for an entry visa through ICE and have been granted clearance to enter.]

If you enter as a refugee or requesting asylum, guess what? You have to wait to be checked out, even summarily, before we’ll just let you in the door. And you are held in a detention facility until that clearance is granted.

And rightfully so.
 
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