Every year there is a collection for the Pope from every country. I don’t check every year but the last time I looked our country collected and sent R1 000 000 to the Vatican. The Vatican in turn sends money to every country in the world according to needs and our country received that year R38 000 000.
Must have been Catherine of SienaRight now, I can think of only one instance, however I am sure there were a few challengers in the history of the Church. In this one instance and I’ll be darned if I can remember who, what, when, but one of the Saints, female, who later became a Doctor of the Church did challenge one of the Popes. In fact, I think she “SLAPPED”him. The nerve.
Maybe someone else here can remember the involved parties?? As I said, I am sure there are many more instances, but I am not familiar with them. Sorry.
but I wouldn’t know which Pope - Urban?.
…and I still believe in Jesus Christ. I have never rejected him. This was one of the exact same questions I had asked myself when I was looking into Islam. It turned out that Muslims have a great deal of respect and admiration for Jesus Christ. He was one of the mightiest messengers of God. He performed miracles with God’s permission, he was born of the virgin Mary (highly praised and raised above all women on earth~not the mother of God…that would make her more superior than all and we should worship her instead of God…God forbid), Jesus was to come again for his second coming (to finish his mission) etc. So, in retrospect, I realized that *accepting Islam was in no way denying Jesus.The point is there is no issue. Is the existence of the senate and congress in the US government a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo or an established functional institution? It’s a question of whether legislation has been passed.
That non-Catholics cannot be unqualifiably and individually saved has never been decidedly and irrevocably taught as a dogma by the Magisterium. Meanwhile you fail to understand what the Church means by “No salvation outside the Church”. It doesn’t mean what you think it does or what anti-Catholic web sites make it out to mean. Of course you subscribe to these slanderous sites because they accommodate your own prejudice against the Catholic Church. Are you one of those disgruntled ex-Catholics who create such sites?
The “separated brethren” as they are now referred to used to be called heretics.
The senate and congress as legitimate as they are, are experts at doing the mumbo jumbo.
I’m not a disgruntled Catholic but this whole infallibility issue reminds me of “the Emperor’s New Clothes.”
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If one Pope declares Luther and his followers heretics and every Catholic accepts that as the truth because it is a faith teaching isn’t that a Papal declaration? Then later on in history another Pope calls the Lutherans separated brethren well then he declares the first Pope to be in error. What comes after that is the legal mumbo jumbo so it all looks Kosher.
These same churches were once called heretics.What Ut Unum Sint basically says is that to be saved one must be a member of the “Church” and the Mystical Body of Christ. “Some” churches have part of the truth, but not the whole truth." Even having part of the truth makes them members of the Roman Catholic Church, but incomplete members. Pope John Paul II also said that those congregations and those identified as “churches” have never left the Roman Catholic Church. As I understand it, to be deemed a “Church” some beliefs must be the same as the Catholic Church, ie. Triune Baptism, Bishops ( I think there is study going on as to which of these Bishops could be designated heirs of the Apostles. Don’t ask me about that, because I don’t know.) There are many other qualifications necessary before it is accepted that any other church belongs to the Mystical Body of Christ in any fashion.
There is much more which you will have to read, but the doctrine of “No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church” has NOT been contradicted.
I was taught all this stuff when I was in Catholic school before Vatican II. I didn’t first read about it on a website.The point is there is no issue. Is the existence of the senate and congress in the US government a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo or an established functional institution? It’s a question of whether legislation has been passed.
That non-Catholics cannot be unqualifiably and individually saved has never been decidedly and irrevocably taught as a dogma by the Magisterium. Meanwhile you fail to understand what the Church means by “No salvation outside the Church”. It doesn’t mean what you think it does or what anti-Catholic web sites make it out to mean. Of course you subscribe to these slanderous sites because they accommodate your own prejudice against the Catholic Church. Are you one of those disgruntled ex-Catholics who create such sites?
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If you are not in the fullness of the truth it means that you do not believe the WHOLE truth. Therefore this is heresy. However, we politely refrain from calling it that I suppose!
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It’s a little more serious than that. Heretics were tortured and killed.If you are not in the fullness of the truth it means that you do not believe the WHOLE truth. Therefore this is heresy. However, we politely refrain from calling it that I suppose!
If you do not believe in Apostolic Succession - heresy?
If you do not believe in the Eucharist - that IS a heresy?
If you do not believe in the other Sacraments - that is a heresy?
Surely any deviation from the official dogma of the Church is a heresy? Schismatics perhaps? Would that be a more polite term?
I am a baby Catholic but I think I am right. Correct me if I am wrong.
Blessings:yup:
Catholics were tortured and killed and Monasteries were confiscated and hundreds of priests were killed by the Heretics in England. Read your history
Heretics were tortured and killed by secular governments. In the Church, they were athamethize.
Thanks for your kind advice. I don’t doubt there was killing on both sides of the fence. St. paul killed Christians because of his religious beliefs.What I don’t like is when I see this same spirit among Christians. I’m not saying I’m right about everything but I am expressing my views that were formed by my own experiences which may be different from others. This is a forum. That’s what you do on a forum. I’m being accused of being angry and disgruntled but those who say that seem to be very angry about being challenged. That’s not good.Catholics were tortured and killed and Monasteries were confiscated and hundreds of priests were killed by the Heretics in England. Read your history
Secular governments are not followers of Jesus. It can be expected of them because they were considered to be heathens. Popes gave the orders to kill Protestants…much like St. Paul when he thought he was doing the right thing.
Yes but Luther fell from Grace, Yes at one time Luther did have the Grace and knew the Religion quite well, but he wanted to change things in the faith. And yes any Priest that has Holy Orders and is in good standing with the Church can consecrate the Eucharist. And yes Priests do have the Power to cast out demons and do. But that is something I really dont know much about this so I cant lie and say i do. And yes to the best of my knowledge the Orthodox do have Apostolic Succession, so they can serve Communion. But I really dont know the Orthodox Church well, only what ive been told. But I do believe they are still a Catholic Church so they have would have succession, But to be honest thats one thing i truely dont understand , but will im working on trying to figure out the separation there.
This is quite true Ron; I have questioned this kind of thing before a bit on this forum; but have usually been met with that (internet) “cold-fish handshake” whenever I brought up such a subject. I was told that I “don’t understand” that I am “misquoting;” and the like.
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I stand by what I have said, “It takes a very knowledgeable Theologian to interpret doctrine, dogmas, teachings according to the teaching of the Church.” I will try to find the thread for you that differentiates among the levels of Magisterium and infallibility.
Those that initially broke away from the Church were said to be preaching heresy, and therefore the Church called them heretical.
