The Invention of Catholicism?

[ron77nyc]

Who’s hiding the Word? I already told you that the average Mass-attending Catholic reads and hears almost the entire bible in a 3-year cycle.
The word was being proclaimed to Catholics for centuries before the Protestant Rebellion.

That excuse is not new. It’s not a bible study.

 

[jmcrae]

Yes, they are finally getting around to it after 2000 years. The Pope will be on TV in Italy starting a bible reading marathon. That was never heard of before. Now I hope someone doesn’t tell me that’s because the church didn’t always have television.

I was Protestant for nearly 40 years and did more sword drills than I can recall, but I, too, have never heard of a “Bible reading marathon.”

 

[jmcrae]

That excuse is not new. It’s not a bible study.

That’s true, it’s not. Neither is a Catechism class, but that doesn’t prevent both the Mass and the Catechism class from being a rich source of Scripture.

 

[jlhargus]

Originally Posted by nebula: You’re really stretching hte term bishop since if you look at the verses in question it’s clear an office is intended (bishop not pastor not elder).

Perhaps you might quote us the relevant passage and indicate why you believe that it is indicating an administrative office as opposed to an informal role…

JL: ACTS 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms Let his habitation be desolate and let no man dwell therein and his bishoprick let another take

 

[ron77nyc]

I was Protestant for nearly 40 years and did more sword drills than I can recall, but I, too, have never heard of a “Bible reading marathon.”

Protestants didn’t need it. They always had bible study.

 

[jmcrae]

Protestants didn’t need it. They always had bible study.

So did Catholics.

 

[CWBetts]

The bible is a Catholic book and the Catholic Church has the fullness of truth so don’t hide it…divide it. Teach it at CCD. Teach it in Catholic high schools. Teach it to future priests so they can preach it at Mass.

Can the self-righteousness. The Bible is taught at Catholic Schools, at seminaries and Catholic colleges. It is taught in RCIA. And we teach the whole book, not just snippets of scriptures hear and there to mislead people into accepting false doctrines like Sola Scriptura and Once Saved Always Saved. To state anything else shows either contempt for the Catholic Church or ignorance of what the Church teaches, probably both.

 

[ron77nyc]

Can the self-righteousness. The Bible is taught at Catholic Schools, at seminaries and Catholic colleges. It is taught in RCIA. And we teach the whole book, not just snippets of scriptures hear and there to mislead people into accepting false doctrines like Sola Scriptura and Once Saved Always Saved. To state anything else shows either contempt for the Catholic Church or ignorance of what the Church teaches, probably both.

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0505102.htm

VATICAN-SCRIPTURE Sep-8-2005 (470 words) xxxi

Experts say Catholics still don’t read Bible regularly

By Carol Glatz
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) – While it may be a best-seller, the Bible still is not regularly read, nor has it become an integral part of many Catholics’ lives, said a panel of biblical experts.

“Unfortunately, it must be said, there is still little Bible in the lives of the faithful,” said Italian Bishop Vincenzo Paglia, president of the Catholic Bible Federation.

Recent research conducted in Italy, Spain and France found that many Catholics consider the sacred Scriptures as something “reserved for the clergy” rather than as an accessible resource for them to draw upon for truth and inspiration in their own lives, he said.

I keep harping on this because it relates to The Invention of Catholicism. The early church relied heavily on scripture for teaching. Thankfully the Pope is getting back to doing that.

 

[CWBetts]

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0505102.htm

VATICAN-SCRIPTURE Sep-8-2005 (470 words) xxxi

Experts say Catholics still don’t read Bible regularly

By Carol Glatz
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) – While it may be a best-seller, the Bible still is not regularly read, nor has it become an integral part of many Catholics’ lives, said a panel of biblical experts.

“Unfortunately, it must be said, there is still little Bible in the lives of the faithful,” said Italian Bishop Vincenzo Paglia, president of the Catholic Bible Federation.

Recent research conducted in Italy, Spain and France found that many Catholics consider the sacred Scriptures as something “reserved for the clergy” rather than as an accessible resource for them to draw upon for truth and inspiration in their own lives, he said.

This article does nothing to refute that the Bible is taught at Catholic Schools. Because many Catholics do not read the Bible in Europe, you now claim the Bible is not taught in Catholic Schools in the USA. Your evidence says nothing about my claim. Wheras I know for a fact in our parish Schools the Bible is taught. I know for a FACT in orthodox CAtholic Univerities, the Bible is taught. Google “Catholic Bible Studies” and you will find a great many of them. I have revealed your dishonesty, it is dishonesty of th highest order. Now I would ask you to find RELEVENT evidence to refute my claim, but alas, you have none. Your agenda has been revealed. If you want to argue against the Church, go ahead, but be honest enough to level thological argumments, and desist from spreading half-troths and lies.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Well, since Protestants don’t seem to be up to defending their faith here, let me give it a try.

RESOLVED: That the elements of Catholicism that distinguish it from other Christian denominations were invented sometime in 2C AD after the end of Acts and before it was legalied by Constantine when Christianity was persecuted by the Romans.

Such elements include: Real Presence, the hierarchy of leadership (fathers, bishops, etc.), as well many elements common to most Christian denominations such as the de-Judization of Christianity.

Protestantism is, therefore, a valient and honest effort to return Christianity to its roots by sola scriptura and the avoidance of traditions invented by the Church after the end of Acts.

Bubba-

If Catholicism was invented sometime in the fourth century after Constantine legalized Christianity, then would it make sense to say that the writings of the early Christians, those who lived before the pure gospel was corrupted by the influx of pagans who wanted to curry favor with the Emperor, are authentic witnesses to what true Christianity looks like?

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

If Catholicism was invented sometime in the fourth century after Constantine legalized Christianity…

Let me stop you right there. The theory we’re exploring here is that Catholicism (by which I mean that distinguished from Christianity generally) was invented after the end of Acts.

I have refined this theory in the new thread, The Invention of Catholicism (Part 2).

…then would it make sense to say that the writings of the early Christians, those who lived before the pure gospel was corrupted by the influx of pagans who wanted to curry favor with the Emperor, are authentic witnesses to what true Christianity looks like?

The Protestant theory that Catholicism was invented after Constantine is unsupportable, agreed. But that’s not what we’re discussing in these two threads.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Let me stop you right there. The theory we’re exploring here is that Catholicism (by which I mean that distinguished from Christianity generally) was invented after the end of Acts.

I have refined this theory in the new thread, The Invention of Catholicism (Part 2).

The Protestant theory that Catholicism was invented after Constantine is unsupportable, agreed. But that’s not what we’re discussing in these two threads.

Great! I’d hate to run down the wrong rabbit trail.

So, your theory is that Catholicism was invented after the Book of Acts…so you mean after the events recorded in Acts or after the writing of the Book of Acts?

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

So, your theory is that Catholicism was invented after the Book of Acts…so you mean after the events recorded in Acts or after the writing of the Book of Acts?

After the events described in Acts, namely between 65AD and 110AD. Acts ends with Paul in Rome. He was executed sometime around 65AD.

(It is an interesting question why Acts ends there but that’s another topic.)

 

[Randy_Carson]

After the events described in Acts, namely between 65AD and 110AD. Acts ends with Paul in Rome. He was executed sometime around 65AD.

(It is an interesting question why Acts ends there but that’s another topic.)

Okay, I have gone to the other thread to pick up the trail.

 

[CWBetts]

But the Church was established in Matthew, and the Church recieved the gift of the Holy Spirit at Pentacost, so no you are quite wrong Bubba

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

But the Church was established in Matthew, and the Church recieved the gift of the Holy Spirit at Pentacost, so no you are quite wrong Bubba

You are laboring under the misaprehension that the two are mutually exclusive.

 

[CWBetts]

You are laboring under the misaprehension that the two are mutually exclusive.

I am laboring under the supposition that the Catolic Churchexisted at the beginning of Acts

 

[w_stewart]

I keep harping on this because it relates to The Invention of Catholicism. The early church relied heavily on scripture for teaching. Thankfully the Pope is getting back to doing that.

Please define early church as used in this sentence.

 

[1beleevr]

Elvisman: Jesus did tell us not to call any man on this earth "Father(upper case)!!! And we do only have ONE Father, who is God! Jesus rebuked the Pharisees( there are still some among us) for saying thaT Abraham was their Father; instead revealing their evil hearts, and telling them that Satan was their father(lower case). Bottom line is, the pope is only holy father to the catholic religion! To the rest of us believers, he is just the pope; sorry!

 

[1beleevr]

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