The Kathy Griffin retaliation

[7_Sorrows]

I think she was promoting violence. I’m sure the families of the people who actually did get beheaded didn’t find anything funny about it. The way this world is today, she should have known better. So now she’s crying about it…being “bullied” hahaha… Now that’s funny

I agree. I don’t think there is anything funny about holding up a head that was supposedly beheaded. Not in this day and age when the terrorists proudly display real
human heads they have beheaded. And I am sure it was very hurtful to families whose loved ones have been beheaded on camera and the images used for propaganda by
ISIS. What Kathy Griffin did should not be defended!

 

[Jeanne_S]

Gee this thread is going to turn into a dispute over what Trump did and not Kathy Griffin’s actions? Her actions are OK because of what Trump said on the campaign trail? Seriously?

Good grief.

Indeed.Not to mention the fact that Trump uses these hand gestures frequently when talking.There are numerous videos proving this.I will concede that while his intention was’t to mock this reporter,that his gestures are more a habit.,it is unfortunate because it gave the left an opportunity to frame this speech in they way they wanted it portrayed.

 

[Jeanne_S]

What she did crossed a line. Trump has also crossed many lines. But Trump’s actions and her actions are independent of each other; neither excuses or justifies the other one. Her “he broke me” moment was just silly. She deserved to be fired.

I heard a portion of her interview,it is indeed pathetic.She starts sobbing and quickly turns this whole incident into she being the victim because Trump broke her.Blechhhhhh…
Fortunately I don’t think anyone is buying her schitck

 

[mikekle]

Im not sure I would trust all the negative consequences reportedly happening to her as a result of this stunt, something tells me this is all scripted and well planned.

 

[Tim_D]

something tells me this is all scripted and well planned.

That’s a curious plan, then, for one to get universal negative reaction and have many of their money-paying gigs cancelled. What would be the point?

 

[pianistclare]

That’s a curious plan, then, for one to get universal negative reaction and have many of their money-paying gigs cancelled. What would be the point?

Agreed. She believes her own hype, and she thought her “constituents” would rally.
They didn’t.
Epic FAIL.

 

[superwimp]

He didn’t do that. First, it was not a speech impediment… Second, he fluttered his hands to mimic someone who was flustered. He did the same thing when talking about other flustered people. Third, the reporter’s disability was an inability to move his hand out of a curled-in position, nothing at all like what Trump did. Fourth, Trump had met the reporter once or twice fifteen years before and remembered nothing about him.

Yes, because rhe entire incident was mischaracterized to his detriment.

Hello St. Francis,

Thank you very much for responding to the questions asked.  You seem to be the only one.  Daddy girl responded to your claim that Trump wasn't really mocking the reporter.  I don't know how I would determine who is correct.  Where did you get your info?  Do you agree or disagree that Trump said a lot of hateful things during the campaign?

I apparently miss-phrased my second question.  The incident I was referring to in number 2 was Kathy Griffin displaying Trumps head.

 

[MaryT777]

Hello St. Francis,

Thank you very much for responding to the questions asked.  You seem to be the only one.  Daddy girl responded to your claim that Trump wasn't really mocking the reporter.  I don't know how I would determine who is correct.  Where did you get your info?  Do you agree or disagree that Trump said a lot of hateful things during the campaign?

I apparently miss-phrased my second question.  The incident I was referring to in number 2 was Kathy Griffin displaying Trumps head.

How did we get from “The Kathy Griffin retaliation” to the hateful things Trump said.
Nothing Trump said or did was remotely close to the Kathy Griffin stunt.

It’s not a "well Trump said hateful things, did this did that so Kathy Griffin can do worse "one up on ya contest is it?

Mary.

 

[Tim_D]

How did we get from “The Kathy Griffin retaliation” to the hateful things Trump said.

Because the purpose of this thread was to be a political put on.

Why is it that "(fill in the blank)______ derangement syndrome" seems to only affect those on the left?

 

[Captain_America]

The Democratic platform really pushed me to voting Republican. They’re just off the map of reality with so many things. . .

I was shocked by the photo of Griffin. I don’t know much at all about her; have never seen her before. So to me, it was quite like making a death threat to the president. . . which no Secret Service agent ever takes lightly.

. . . with respect to her “career” you find this kind of stuff happening all over the place, now that the Democrats have gone ballistic over losing in 2016. We’ll see more. I wouldn’t be surprised if hit lists are being made of people who contributed to the Republican Party or to the Catholic Church.

 

[Crusaderbear]

Kathy who?

 

[Wedge_Antilles]

I don’t think feel this way.
And I don’t see anyone else so far thinking this.
And I don’t think the thread is going to turn into that sort of dispute.

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Ummm, it started this way in the original post…

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I had barely heard of Kathy Griffin before this happened, but it’s my understanding that any implied death threat against a sitting President gets the Secret Service knocking down your door. By the time I even found out about this, CNN had already fired her and Anderson Cooper was already criticizing her. Since CNN and Cooper are no fans of Trump and criticize him all day and all night, I figured this must have crossed some company policy line.

From reading about Kathy Griffin after this happened, it seems she’s a “shock jock” type similar to Howard Stern who has previously gotten attention for insulting Jesus on a reality TV awards show and insulting Barbara Walters on The View, so I figured this whole Trump thing was just another in the long line of shocking publicity stunts by her. That’s about the extent of my paying attention to it. I don’t lay awake nights over whether some TV personality is fired by a network or not. I guess I don’t care that much.

 

[commenter]

wordonfire.org/resources/article/kathy-griffin-and-the-vanishing-of-argument

Bishop is right on, this is not an isolated incident but part of a larger movement - a movement away from Reason.

The scary thing I have read about Griffin was one comment by a Trump opponent, who criticized Griffin for this incident - not because what she did was “wrong” in some absolute sense of “evil”, but because the media coverage of it made the anti-Trump cause look bad. Apparently if doing this had gotten good coverage for the anti-Trump movement, that would be “good”.

Like Nietsche, they have moved beyond “good and evil”.

In other words Griffin was **unskillful **at using the media, rather than having done something “bad”.

 

[MaryT777]

wordonfire.org/resources/article/kathy-griffin-and-the-vanishing-of-argument

Bishop is right on, this is not an isolated incident but part of a larger movement - a movement away from Reason.

The scary thing I have read about Griffin was one comment by a Trump opponent, who criticized Griffin for this incident - not because what she did was “wrong” in some absolute sense of “evil”, but because the media coverage of it made the anti-Trump cause look bad. Apparently if doing this had gotten good coverage for the anti-Trump movement, that would be “good”.

Like Nietsche, they have moved beyond “good and evil”.

In other words Griffin was **unskillful **at using the media, rather than having done something “bad”.

I completely agree with you. I think Griffin thought the anti-Trump crowd would absolutely love this stunt and is probably shocked it did not go that way.

Mary.

 

[commenter]

I completely agree with you. I think Griffin thought the anti-Trump crowd would absolutely love this stunt and is probably shocked it did not go that way.

Mary.

Perhaps they disagree (for now) because this tactic was premature, America is not quite - yet - ready for this. In a few years this will be prime time stuff, and Griffin will be honored as a pioneer.

The irony is that the strongest defenders of Reason and opponents of Griffin, et alia, are mostly people who have not gone to college. Those who attend or graduated in recent years from “college”, such as state universities, don’t see anything wrong with Griffin. They are the ones who are most ready to abandon Reason, though unconsciously. They don’t know they are abandoning Reason, they simply are living on Gut Level, following the herd. Not all this is on the Left, but most of it is.

 

[MaryT777]

Perhaps they disagree (for now) because this tactic was premature, America is not quite - yet - ready for this. In a few years this will be prime time stuff, and Griffin will be honored as a pioneer.

The irony is that the strongest defenders of Reason and opponents of Griffin, et alia, are mostly people who have not gone to college. Those who attend or graduated in recent years from “college”, such as state universities, don’t see anything wrong with Griffin. They are the ones who are most ready to abandon Reason, though unconsciously. They don’t know they are abandoning Reason, they simply are living on Gut Level, following the herd. Not all this is on the Left, but most of it is.

That’s interesting to know. Thanks for the info.

 

[Horton]

wordonfire.org/resources/article/kathy-griffin-and-the-vanishing-of-argument

Bishop is right on, this is not an isolated incident but part of a larger movement - a movement away from Reason.

The scary thing I have read about Griffin was one comment by a Trump opponent, who criticized Griffin for this incident - not because what she did was “wrong” in some absolute sense of “evil”, but because the media coverage of it made the anti-Trump cause look bad. Apparently if doing this had gotten good coverage for the anti-Trump movement, that would be “good”.

Like Nietsche, they have moved beyond “good and evil”.

In other words Griffin was **unskillful **at using the media, rather than having done something “bad”.

 

[commenter]

I completely agree with you. I think Griffin thought the anti-Trump crowd would absolutely love this stunt and is probably shocked it did not go that way.

Mary.

When I read the comments on the internet from the Left regarding this, the comments were not about the stunt itself, but the reaction to it - how did it “spin”. It is to be expected that the comments did not show respect for President Trump. No one said, for instance, “I disagree with some or all his actions as president, but of course the man himself should be treated with respect”. The Left is unable to make that distinction now.

What is surprising is how little the commenters appear to care about Griffin, personally. No one expresses concern about what stresses she was going under, to do something like this, nor concern about her own career prospects now. The only concern for this act, or any act now, is “how will this advance or delay the cause?”

Bishop Barron’s piece is crucial, because he ties this into historical context, and what is a flight from reason in the media and academia, by the Left. I think we are only a few years away from people on the Left (privately) justifying not only the actual violent elimination of the Trumps, but even the Griffins.

 

[Whalljim]

Hello,

This question is primarily for people who voted for Trump and now want Kathy Griffin to lose her sources of income.

1. Trump said a lot of nasty things on the campaign trail including mimicking a reporters speech impediment. If you voted for him anyway then why do you want to ruin Miss Griffin’s life?

2.  Trump used the incident to promote his victim status.  After the statements he made on the campaign trail should he still have a right to promote his victim status?

I really can’t stand Trump for a variety of reasons. However, he is the President. Ms. Griffin crossed a line, and that got her fired.

I’ve become increasingly tired of the continual degradation of the person in office; whether its stuff like ‘Odummy’ to talk about President Obama or ‘Shrub’ to talk about Bush.

In my opinion we as a nation have turned into soccer hooligans over politics, more intent on defending our party or ideology than trying to rationally work through issues.

I’m a man without a party at this point because I see the parties as the source of alot of our problems in their blatant power grabs.