The Killer Law!

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That is not true. I didn’t say that. I said that the LDS Church disapproves of abortion, period. That covers 99% of the cases that in practice may arise. The exceptions are extremely rare, and designed to protect the health and safety of the mother.
You just did it again! You made an absolute statement “period” (your word!) and then say it covers 99%. So for you 99% =100%

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Birth Defects on Rise in China Province
Shanxi is one of China’s most heavily polluted regions, mainly as a result of mining and the use of high-sulfur coal.

No figures were given in the report, although data posted this month on the Web site of the government’s National Population and Family Planning Commission said the national rate of birth defects increased by nearly 50 percent over 2001-2006, rising to 145.5 per 10,000 births

Combined with other forms of visible defects and problems that don’t show up until several months after birth, a total of 1.2 million children were born with defects every year, accounting for up to 6 percent of all children born, according to the data.

According to the U.S. National Institutes of Health, birth defects affect about one out of 33 babies in the United States
lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2007/oct/29/102905018.html
And Zerinus & his LDS cult would have no issues MURDERING these children! :mad:
 
I faced this very kind of issue with my wife 4 years ago. She was diagnosed with Wegener’s Vasculitis, an autoimmune disorder with a very poor prognosis, and no journaled cases of successful pregnancy outside of remissions. The treatment options were:
  1. Cytoxin: an extremely effective immuno-suppressant that is also an abortifacent.
  2. prednisone: milder but far less effective immuno-suppressant.
  3. no treatment: guaranteed blindness and probably death within a year.
  4. Abort and use multi-drug cocktail of Cytoxin, prednisone, and other immuno-supressants with teratogenic properties.
    This was in the 5th month of pregnancy.
    The choice: #2 was the only one that I, as a Catholic, could put my support behind. (My pastor at the time, a canon lawyer and theologian, agreed with that.) My wife agreed that it was the best choice.
Actually, it wasn’t just prednisone. It was prednisone and prayer.

Ella was born in March of 2004, healthy and apparently none the worse for wear from the prednisone.

The next week, my wife started her course of multi-drug cocktail. She is currently in remission, and off medication for the last 9 months.

I keep praying.
Dear Aramis,

Thank you for your comments. I do believe that in any religion including Catholics, there are “goods” and “bads”. Thank you also for your sharing. You are not alone. I am praying for you, and your beloved family as well. Those who have faith in God, even as small as the size of a mustard seed, will be able to move a mountain.👍 👍 👍
 
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have followed this thread from the beginning until now. Don’t you feel that the discussion topic has changed. Don’t you feel when you are telling Zerinus something, you get some sort of insult in return?. So, I suggest that you all stop responding to this thread, and considered it as closed. Why don’t we spend time in other productive thread. Let Zerinus believes what he believes. When somebody gives you something and you don’t accept it, the gift returns to him/her, right? So, when Zerinus gives you accusations, and you don’t accept them, the accusations will return to him. By not reponding to his accusation, you are rejecting it.🙂
 
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have followed this thread from the beginning until now. Don’t you feel that the discussion topic has changed. Don’t you feel when you are telling Zerinus something, you get some sort of insult in return?. So, I suggest that you all stop responding to this thread, and considered it as closed. Why don’t we spend time in other productive thread. Let Zerinus believes what he believes. When somebody gives you something and you don’t accept it, the gift returns to him/her, right? So, when Zerinus gives you accusations, and you don’t accept them, the accusations will return to him. By not reponding to his accusation, you are rejecting it.🙂
Great idea, Swariffin. Thanks for the wonderful suggestion!
 
Dear Aramis,

Thank you for your comments. I do believe that in any religion including Catholics, there are “goods” and “bads”. Thank you also for your sharing. You are not alone. I am praying for you, and your beloved family as well. Those who have faith in God, even as small as the size of a mustard seed, will be able to move a mountain.👍 👍 👍
Thanks.

t is important to show people that the process is pro-life; all life.
 
don’t be ridiculous.
TOTAL, 1920 - 2006: 804,000,000 reported abortions, estimated 929,000,000 total abortions

Estimated current global monthly average: 1,202,000 abortions

johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/wrjp338sd.html

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A hospital in the Netherlands — the first nation to permit euthanasia — recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures, which include administering a lethal dose of sedatives.

The announcement by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives — a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates.
msnbc.msn.com/id/6621588/

One Quarter of Black Population Missing from Abortion Genocide Says Dr. Alveda King
The abortion movement’s history is inseparable from that of the eugenics movement that held the genocide of the “dysgenic races” races as a central goal and for which the poor were the “enemies of the people.” In the US, the abortion facilities and offices of Planned Parenthood are concentrated in poor areas where the black population is especially targeted.

Margaret Sanger, the foundress of the organisation that eventually became Planned Parenthood, had as her goal the control and subjugation of the poor ethnic peoples including blacks - Read the paper“The Inherent Racism of Population Control” by Paul Jalsevac
lifesite.net/waronfamily/Population_Control/Inher
lifesite.net/ldn/2007/aug/07082406.html

Eugenic Manifesto
Equality is man’s most dangerous myth. All men do not have an equal right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Only the ethical, moral and law abiding have a right to liberty; only the productive and creative have a right to life; and only the wise have a right to the pursuit of happiness.

In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. (Jacques Cousteau)

Eugenics - Birth Control
Eugenics traces its roots to Britain in the early 1880s, when Sir Francis Galton coined the term to mean “well born” his book Studies of Hereditary Genius (1869)

Financial support for the popularization of eugenics came both from individuals and foundations in America. In 1906, John Harvey Kellogg created the Race Betterment Foundation in Battle Creek Michigan, which sponsored a series of conferences at its sanitarium in 1914, 1915, and 1928. Beginning in 1910, the Eugenics Record Office propagandized eugenics with financial support from Mrs. E. H. Harriman and the leadership of Charles Davenport and Harry Laughlin.

Buck v. Bell supplied a precedent for the eventual sterilization of approximately 8,300 Virginians

Borrowing from Laughlin’s Model Law
the German Nazi government adopted a law in 1933 that provided Laughlin proudly published a translation of the German Law for the Prevention of Defective Progeny in The Eugenical News

The Nazi philosophy which has taken over health care in the United States through the HMOs, as well as associated pro-euthanasia policies, was identified as early as 1949 in the New England Journal of Medicine. Dr. Leo Alexander, who had worked with the prosecution at the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal devoting to prosecuting the Nazi doctors, put his finger on it: It is the utilitarian attitude which classified some lives as not useful, or, in Hitler’s own words, ``not worthy to be lived.’’
LIVES UNWORTHY OF LIVING: EXPERT ON NAZI POLICIES

uta.edu/public-affairs/pressreleases/page.php?id=2202
eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/essaystextonly.html
healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/library/historical/eugenics/3-buckvbell.cfm
blackgenocide.org/sanger.html
understandingrace.org/history/science/eugenics_physical.html
lifesite.net/waronfamily/Population_Control/Inherentracism.pdf
dnaftb.org/eugenics/
 
The World’s Declining Fertility Rate
Although a fertility rate of 2.1 children per woman is needed just to replace current population, in Europe the fertility rate has dropped to 1.42 and in Japan to 1.43.

Spain has the world’s lowest fertility rate – at 1.15. Experts predict Europe will lose at least 100 million people by mid-century.

There is no longer a single country in Europe where people are having enough children to replace themselves when they die.

Italy recently became the first nation in history in which there are more people over the age of 60 than there are under the age of 20 – and Germany, Greece and Spain are expected to cross the same divide this year.

Last year, Japan’s fertility rate – the number of children born on average to a woman – fell to 1.39, the lowest level it has ever reached there.
ncpa.org/pi/internat/pdinter/july98g.html

Depopulation: The Real Social Security Crisis.
As you no doubt know by now, Social Security is headed toward bankruptcy. Why? It is simple; there are fewer people paying into the system as compared to those drawing benefits from the system. America is aging and we are not reproducing at a rate necessary to maintain current population levels.

Diminishing population is plaguing every Western nation in the world. Over the course of the last millennium, European-derived populations grew from one-sixth of the world’s population to more than one-third of the world’s people. The fraction of the world’s wealth accounted for by these populations grew from less than one-sixth to two-thirds!

Europe’s below-replacement-level birthrates have created situations that would have been unimaginable when the institutions of European integration were formed in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Denmark was below population replacement level in 1970, at 2.0 births per woman, and slid to 1.7 by 2001. In Europe’s poorest country, Albania, where rural people still live in armed clan compounds, the 1970 rate of 5.1 births per woman fell to 2.1 in 1999. South Korea, a mostly rural country with six births per woman during the 1950s, now has 1.17 births per woman. Japan’s birthrate fell to a record low of 1.28 in 2004, (2.1 maintains zero population growth) according to a recently released report. The birthrate, which has been falling for decades, now ranks among the lowest in the world.

Pitirim Sorokin (Harvard Sociologist) points out that “this voluntary suicide is reinforced by the involuntary sterility which may be the consequence of debauchery. Venereal diseases, abortions, and other effects of a disorderly mode of living make many a debauchee incapable of conceiving and bearing children.” The tidal wave of depopulation swept over Greece and Rome in their periods of conspicuous increase in s-xual promiscuity. Low birth rates were consistent with the rise in profligate behavior and subsequent extinction among the aristocratic and upper-class segments of society throughout history.
nationalcoalition.org/culture/articles/ca050606.html
 
The same insult that he was given, and duely replying to.
Assuming thats it’s a he.
Ah well.
I dont take to kindly being called a murderer, do you?
I do like to stand up for myself, nothing wrong with that.
 
That is not true. I didn’t say that. I said that the LDS Church disapproves of abortion, period. That covers 99% of the cases that in practice may arise. The exceptions are extremely rare, and designed to protect the health and safety of the mother.

zerinus
It disapproves abortion period, then you go on to say 99%???
Wow zerinus, your really convincing me now…
A+ for maths!
:rolleyes:
 
A law passed in Nicaragua last November banning all abortions under any circumstances (even when the life of the mother is at risk) has so far led to (at least) 82 avoidable deaths of pregnant women (and their babies, I presume). Here are some news reports:
This is simply NOT TRUE. Stating a statistic from planned parenthood on abortion is like asking a tobacco grower if cigarettes are bad for you. My Wifes boss’s Wife is an OBGYN and we were talking about this same subject, she told us that a womans life is almost never in jeopardy because of a pregnancy and if it is the baby can in most cases be safely delivered.
 
and what country was he thinking of when he said this? Did he mean to imply that women in 3rd world countries are as safe as pregnent women in the U.S.?
 
Before Nicaragua passes this law, abortion was already illegal in all circumstances except where the mother’s life was in danger.

I have read that Latin America has the strictest abortion laws in the world. It also has the worlds highest abortion rates.
 
Choose; Murderer or Mormon! I know what I’d rather be called.🙂
And Zerinus & his LDS cult would have no issues MURDERING these children!
Sorry Z, you are the one (along with your cult) that is deranged when you condone (as you are currently doing)the murder of innocent defenseless children!
Gee, is it just me or am I sensing some discreet anti Mormon vibes here.
Of course nothing will be done because the weren’t (god forbid :rolleyes: ) dissing Catholicism.
 
It was not bad medical practice. She was told in the hospital that she had an ectopic pregnancy, which meant that she would die if it was not terminated. She was also told that they could not carry out the procedure because it had been made illegal. She had no choice but to go to quack doctor, who had her killed.

zerinus
The Catholic church allows the mother to be operated on during the ectopic pregnacy to remove it.
 
The Catholic church allows the mother to be operated on during the ectopic pregnacy to remove it.
To remove what, the baby? Is that some kind of abortion?

And why haven’t they told that to the government of Nicaragua?

zerinus
 
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