The killer V2 spirit's full removal brings Springtime

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Still, better things are coming slowly (benedictions, rosary rallies, EWTN speakers, adoration chapels, the indult Latin Mass, clerics standing up to the culture of death, bishops statements being read at pulpits, faithful orders–most prefering habits, etc. so I have hope.
Otherwise, before even all that, I would have been a Judas who gives over the mystical body of Christ to the world because it won’t vanquish the communists or I would have, before I took interest in them, hijacked Christ’s teachings using Biblical language revolving around love like the far left does because it seemed fallible until I asked, “to whom else can I go” in that no other church and those who call themselves atheists and I myself have no better consistency whereas the Church sticks by certain core teachings against all criticism.
 
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foolishmortal:
The only thing I heard that was going bad was the Latin Mass was being said to quickly. Look at what abuses are going on now. How many “little ones” must be scandalized (and that can include world-weary average-Joe workers who don’t learn about their faith or go to Mass daily) before the 1970 Missal is enforced and Vatican 2 is enforced other than having more lay apostolates, kindness to Jews and other non Christians and Catholics and religious freedom. Shepherds need to run off the wolves in sheep’s clothing. Some are doing that but they still allow scandelous art, architecture, music and sermons to go on.
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Wait, wait, wait. I’m not sure that I am reading this right. Do you want us to go back to the bigotry of the Pre-Vatican II church? This was the ONE good thing that I can see coming out of the way that VII was interperted.
I had a Methodist Aunt. The kindest woman on Earth. 200 people came to her funeral. My grandparents died not speaking to their oldest son because he married this lady. That is not right. And I’m sorry but I truely do not believe that no Protestant goes to heaven. I do believe that we have an easier time of it.
 
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slewi:
At the FSSP church all felt right and good…
slewi, I have had similar experiences with the FSSP’s Mass here in our city. The FSSP does not have its own church here yet – it still has its Masses in one of the Novus Ordo churches – but our experiences, as I say, are similar.

I find the Traditional (or Tridentine) liturgy better than that of the N. O. in every way. The N. O. seems deficient to me now because of what I have seen and experienced in the Traditional liturgy.

The only reason I have not joined our city’s “Latin Mass community” yet, is I have decided to wait for the Pope’s post-synodal exhortation first. I am told that a reform, or proper implementation, of the N. O. liturgy can be as reverent as that of the Traditional liturgy. Benedict XVI himself is arguably the most passionate proponent of this point, as anyone who has read some of his books will readily tell you.

We shall see, but based on what I have read of comments from Synod participants, all seems “hunky dory” and few see any need for reform at all. 😦

Failing any major announcements of N. O. liturgical reform, I think will be worshipping according to the FSSP’s Traditional liturgy on or before the beginning of the next liturgical year.
 
I didn’t say “instead of” being nice to the Jews and other Christians. I meant, in “addition to”. But I think the Church was against mixed marriages for very Biblical reasons. Even David wasn’t able to uphold his faith well married to Jezebel. She may have been the equivalent of a Satan (directly) worshipper or occultist, but are not Protestant religions’ fruit for most people, egotism?
Many will join another church if they don’t like the pastor’s sermons or the music, etc. (of course, it’s good if the one they join is the Catholic Church because its fundamental teachings don’t tickle their ears, but the opposite). In a way, ultratraditionalist Catholics are doing that and, like the early high church Anglicans, believe they are a reformed branch of the Catholic Church (sometimes the only remnant of the true Church left). Thanks to the last Pope, we have a consolation with the indult Mass so it is like a Methodist going from a more liberal version to a more conservative one except that, in that church, and other mainstream ones, critical teachings on sexuality etc. may change drastically.
I know most won’t go Latin Mass so I wish for this suffering Church to be healed by brave actions of those who can do it. I was very disheartened when, because a leaked minor revision of the Mass that would actually bring the Mass closer to its 1970 original got a negative response from those who saw it, the Vatican didn’t take the steps necessary to implement the Mass they wanted. These are the shepherds. If they had no trouble saying this is the 1970 Missal and we’re not doing the Latin Mass anymore then why can’t they enforce their own Missal?
I think that they opened Pandora’s box in the '60s and the world seeped into the church. I read that Pope Paul 6th mentioned the “smoke of Satan” after he saw things going out of control. Maybe they can’t do the hard thing because too many in control have a power trip and like the false freedoms they got from the spirit of Vatican 2 now whether or not, when Vatican 2 closed, they misunderstood what Vatican 2 said. Maybe that was Pope John Paul 2nd’s outreach to the youth–to replace those that have made a mess of things on purpose or not and even repopulate the parishes with worshippers that would like the true teaching of Vatican 2. Still, most Catholics I run across didn’t seem to get the memo. Maybe I’m wrong and the good young Catholics will have lots of children.
I have hope. We should pray for the priests but I write these things, I think, because I’m tired of so many thinking nothing is wrong here. Even bishops, God bless them, who allow the Latin Mass and speak against the culture of death, still consecrate unchurchlike church buildings and OK the “rennovations (i.e. guttings, in most cases)” of our beautiful churches built by people who were not blinded by the thinking of the prosperous and secure. We may not be able to stop Christ’s passion, but we can pray and weep for our children and for the bishops and priests to see that Catholic culture is not plastic and even the liberal media knows what is Catholic culture. I will stay with the Vatican’s Church even if things don’t get better because God, I believe, will reward me if, for nothing else, for suffering with His Church in this crisis of faith amongst the churchgoers–if I go to heaven.
If things don’t get fixed (even if many obstinate far-leftists leave the chanceries or even priesthood, thus resulting in closing or undermanaged parishes, on account of difficult measures), those who didn’t get the memo or who put it in the shredder because gays or women aren’t being made priests or because of liberal misbehavings of certain clergy, will be sucked up by those on the far-left and far-right who offer alternatives that sound good to them. Yes, Satan will tell them they can know good and evil (at least theologically, in that we are all given basic knowledge of that like not killing out of malice, at least, or not losing control of one’s senses–things which an evil culture inspired by that snake, gradually blinds most to who live in it).
 
BTW I believe Fr. Feeney was excommunicated by Pope Pius 12th for sticking to saying noone at all is saved outside the Church no matter what. How someone has been outside the Church seems to have been elaborated upon but I think, to check people’s Pride, which looks for loopholes in tough teaching, the Church thought it best to generalize.
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Do you listen to everything ultra-traditionalists or angry liberals tell you about pre-Vatican 2?  I mean, you may have lived in those times, but I think more was known about what was known by the Church about the minute details of moral theology after those times were over.  Nowadays, many Catholics are fine with their Catholic kids getting married to non-Catholics without dispensations.  
     
  Is it better we have a lack of Charity or a lack of Faith?  I mean, Christ said love was the most important but history shows that an unruled charity leads people to a lack of charity just as a lack of carity can lead others in their influence to be uncharitable.  There are people who thought it best to euthenize the sick out of mercy but those who do I'm sure, feel guilty, don't feel God can love them, etc. because they followed an unruled heart and violently removed someone from this life, after which Satan left them in despair.  Fortunately, in these days, thanks to people like Fr. Frank Pavone, women and others who make other mistakes against life get to understand they are loved and can receive that love.
   
  I think, overall, with an encyclical, and not a council, the Vatican could have fixed the lack of charity problem because most still had a respect for what came from the Vatican then.
 
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foolishmortal:
Nowadays, many Catholics are fine with their Catholic kids getting married to non-Catholics without dispensations.
I am a Cradle Catholic married to a Presbyterian.
I see nothing wrong with it. What is the best way to minister to non-Catholics to bring them in the fold? Show them example after example.
It’s taken nearly 10 years and he is now in RCIA.
I think the Vatican knows why it is alright to marry someone of another faith. Sometimes, it brings them home.
 
Actually, that hasn’t worked so well in my family, but I don’t know if it’s the exception or the rule. I just know the Bible talked against mixed marriages and I don’t see how a pastoral decision is the wiser decision when the Bible says don’t do it. Maybe there were cultural factors at play in the Bible, but a culture and its religion should be integrated and the problems mixed marriages caused in the past does not rule out, by human nature, that they will not return again.
And think of kids. I mean, one says there is a Purgatory and one says there is not. One says we have to cooperate with grace; the other says we don’t. One says Mary is a strong intercessor; the other says it’s idolatry or useless, at best, because she died. It doesn’t rule out the bad example given by Mommy, who goes shopping on Sunday or Daddy, who works on the lawn on Sunday.

The non-Catholic or non-Christian has to let the child be raised Catholic, but it doesn’t rule out the tough questions asked by children. Why doesn’t Mommy/Daddy say the rosary with us? Wouldn’t that seem a bit confusing? What if one won’t go to Mass? What if Protestant or non-Christian uncles and aunts by their nephews and nieces info. that confuses them?

As Protestant faiths and non-Christian religions slip off the hill of reason further and further with the breezes of change into oblivion, either it will get worse as conversion for the drifty mainstreamer to the Faith becomes more difficult or they will join an anti-catholic fundamentalist church. How long must the children be confused before a miracle of Faith enlightens one to become Catholic.

I don’t mean to make any mixed marriage Catholics feel bad but I’m merely rebutting this uncertainty-based assurance some have. Dr. Laura is right that one should not marry outside their faith if they think they can convert the other later.
 
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