The "language" of promoting NFP

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kamz:
I don’t know how other’s churches are like but I know that mine doesn’t promote NFP or offer any classes, in fact, you have to go several hours away to find any classes and those are often taught by Lutheran couples who choose NFP.
Sadly I don’t think NFP or much of anything is promoted these days, the church is too scared to bring it up, very sad.
NFP is promoted in my church and several churches in my area. I could have taken NFP at my parish church. The scheduling of that class wasn’t good so I went to a nearby parish to take the course. Both courses were announced in each of the parish’s newsletters.

When I took the course at least 3 of the couples were there as a requirement for marriage.
 
I know some great families that have 9 and 10 children! The parents are absolutely amazing! These families are faithful to the Church, but I honestly don’t know if they have used NFP or not. I think it is great to be able to have a great number of kids–close together or further spaced apart. We would love to have more, but due to different circumstances; it may not happen. If it doesn’t, we feel very blessed with our family as we are.

Promoting NFP is a very difficult and delicate issue. In our Diocese, we have workshops for NFP promoters that are very good, very informative. It shows the goodness of NFP from all sides, including the science.

Unfortunately, the Church’s teaching on sexuality, natural family planning and contraception is not widely known let alone accepted. The discussion on this alone could go on and on. Some very educated people believe that the Church teaches that you should have as many children as physically possible regardless of the circumstances. They truly aren’t aware of Humanae Vitae, Responsible Parenthood, and NFP. Some think their options are 15 children or artificial contraception. So, they listen to the ads, the doctors and use artifical contraception. When they do hear the true teaching of the church, they are skeptical.

So, as promoters, we find ourselves trying to “sell” NFP. And, it’s not an easy sell! It’s very difficult to get across to a group of people who are planning a wedding, a marriage that everything they know or have heard is false. And, although their wedding may be a month or 2 months away, we want them to trust God and throw away their ABC.

We speak of the reasons for marriage, procreative and unitive. We also speak of our personal ‘reasons’ for using NFP. We try to emphasize that the Church has 2000 years of experience and wants couples and families to be happy. Many people say they don’t want the Church to tell them what to do. The Church needs to get out of the bedroom. My husband handles that discussion.

Out of 60 couples that listen to the talk, maybe one or two couples call for more information or a class.

Our Diocese is also starting an “NFP program” in the Catholic high schools. It is going to be in the Religion, Biology and Health classes.

We need to inform people before they reach the engagement stage. Once there, it is hard to get the message across.
 
nfpworks, oh, how I wish you were in our parish, they just don’t promote NFP nearly enough and finding classes that are not several hours away is next to impossible.
What a blessing you and your husband are to your parish community and what a testament to the Catholic faith 👍
 
MamaAtHome

I know what you are saying. But – you must also admit that there is a very intollerant group of people who assume quite a nasty little judgemental role when it comes to those who use NFP.

Just as you see people who think you must use NFP you will get people who think you can’t unless it is a matter of life and death. Both sides of that are wrong. NFP is licit and when used should be used with much prayer and sober thought. Providentialism is wonderful but not required and in some cases unwise.

-D
 
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nfpworks:
So, as promoters, we find ourselves trying to “sell” NFP. And, it’s not an easy sell! It’s very difficult to get across to a group of people who are planning a wedding, a marriage that everything they know or have heard is false. And, although their wedding may be a month or 2 months away, we want them to trust God and throw away their ABC.
“Throw away” is a key phrase here. Most engaged couples - Catholic or otherwise - are already fornicating and contracepting. 😦 The NFP materials I’ve seen reflect this, when they say things like, “Engagement is an ideal time to start finding non-sexual ways to express your love.” They encourage couples to abstain for the last few months before marriage, because it makes it easier to learn the signs of fertility. But they don’t seem to emphasize the big reason to abstain before marriage - namely, that it’s a commandment of God, in front of whom they’re about to pronounce their wedding vows.

Looking at it that way, it seems like the answer isn’t just to have more emphasis on “NFP vs. contraception.” We also need to hear more about chastity, plain and simple. If couples can get a glimpse of the beauty of the Church’s teachings on premarital chastity (e.g. following God’s plan for our bodies, respecting others, using self-control), then they’re more likely to understand how this extends to the married state. Otherwise, “marital chastity” seems like an oxymoron, and the Church’s teachings seem like a bunch of arbitrary rules.

Of course, teaching “Chastity 101” shouldn’t have to be the job of NFP instructors, or even marriage preparation leaders. That’s how it is for now, though, since the ones who should have been teaching it earlier on (parents, catechists, priests) have usually been falling down on the job. The challenge is to find ways to point couples toward the fullness of the truth, even while meeting them “where they are,” and not scaring them away. I guess, in that sense, it’s like any kind of evangelization.
 
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nfpworks:
I think that most people confuse the “rhythm method” with NFP.
I’m embarrassed to admit this, but I guess I’m confused then. I thought they were the same. I’m so “un-enlightened” when it comes to this stuff… :o

Can we discuss what exactly is involved in NFP in this forum? (Just a brief summary) Or maybe suggest a good website or something to get more info on it?

I had a little girl 8 months ago and I never went back on the pill because I’m nursing. So, now that I’m nursing less, DH wants me to go back on the pill, but I’d really prefer not to…

Thanks in advance!
 
Go to onemoresoul.com/They have a bunch of info for you.

Editing to add… once upon I time I was on the pill and DH thought it was great until we started reading about it… the medical advisory insert alone was enough to get him to say. “I love you too much to ask you to be putting these chemicals in your body.”

-D
 
The Rigbys said:
"We also need to hear more about chastity, plain and simple. If couples can get a glimpse of the beauty of the Church’s teachings on premarital chastity (e.g. following God’s plan for our bodies, respecting others, using self-control), then they’re more likely to understand how this extends to the married state. Otherwise, “marital chastity” seems like an oxymoron, and the Church’s teachings seem like a bunch of arbitrary rules.

Go Chastity!! Rah, Rah! People need to understand what our bodies are about and how God created us male and female and things like this. Christopher West and the Theology of the Body is helpful here.
 
There are many NFP related threads runing on this forum, so I will try to stick to the main point of discussion for this particular thread.

I think this is a great topic, if we look at it as a study of both why it is promoted as it is, and how NFP is perceived by the majority of Catholics, and the effects of its promotion on the lay faithful. I have appreciated reading the comments discussing why it is fruitful to promote NFP, and why it can be dangerous. I would likeot offer some of my experience with this subject.

When I married two years ago, many of my Catholic friends and relatives were also marrying. We went through different parish preparation programs, and were given varying degrees of NFP promotion. The particular promotion in my diocese was that all couples should study and use NFP, as it helped create a more beautiful and godly relationship. Several of my relatives took to this and kept trying to convince my husband and I to use it, or we weren’t having a full catholic relationship- that we needed ot know my body’s rythms and be united in the knowledge of my daily fertility. Now, that seemed particularly unnatural to my husband and I, and we decided we could well live oblivious to my natural fertility patterns, unless a just and serious reason arose to find out arises.

Now, many panelists contribute a certain anger towards the judgement of other family’s sizes. They also say, as the NFP promoters in my class said, that it was a blessing and great of you could personally and financially handle a large family. Well, this disturbs me as a very contraceptive cultural trend. If you were to look at my parish, you would see an average of 2 kids per family, maybe 3. Over 4 kids and you really stick out. Now, when I look through the photo albums of my gradparents generation, you would stick out with less than 4! It was the norm to have a large family. You weren’t considered amazingly blessed wiht patience and finances and security to be able ot have this large famly. You weren’t a “good for you” exception of a woman. Are women these days made of less stuff than women in past generations? Impossible.

It is a culture that is created around a contraceptive mentality- one that counts on two incomes, that relies on so much stuff to make it financially, that doesn’t give enough support to coupels who generous grow the communion of siants. so no, this culture has caused more and more families to, in many cases genuinely, feel that they can’t have any more kids. And into this, I see the NFP promotion. Instead of standing out counter-cultural, it feeds into the trend, albiet less illicitly, but it definitely has a niche in the contraceptive trend of our society.

Now, I do not need to hear individual cases of worthiness of unsing NFP- that is between a couple and God, as is every moral decision. However, as a community, the actions of each individual effect us all, and that is why we discuss these larger issues on these forums.
Kelli
 
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SavedByHim:
I’m embarrassed to admit this, but I guess I’m confused then. I thought they were the same. I’m so “un-enlightened” when it comes to this stuff… :o

Can we discuss what exactly is involved in NFP in this forum? (Just a brief summary) Or maybe suggest a good website or something to get more info on it?

I had a little girl 8 months ago and I never went back on the pill because I’m nursing. So, now that I’m nursing less, DH wants me to go back on the pill, but I’d really prefer not to…

Thanks in advance!
SavedByHim,
The rhythm method states that all women have 28 day cycles. And of those 28 days, you have a window of fertility on days 13, 14, and 15. So, if you want to avoid a pregnancy, you should avoid engaging in the marital act on those days. I have heard different variations of this, but that is the general idea.
Natural Family Planning, as it is taught today is based on scientific research that has been going on for years. If it is taught and used correctly, it can be 99 % effective in planning your family. As you have read here, it is so effective that you do need to be careful as to not fall into the “contraceptive mentality” and use NFP as contraception. With NFP, you and your husband prayerfully examine your family. Are you ready to add to your family? Is it a time that you need to wait to become pregnant?
My husband and I teach the Billings Method (www.woomb.org). There are also other methods to learn–Couple to couple League (www.ccli.org), the Creighton Method (www.popepaulvi.com–I think this is .com–you could do a google search on this one.) All the methods fall under the umbrella of Natural Family Planning and have the same effectiveness rates. The main focus is mucus observation–the types of mucus that are being produced by your cervix. By observing this mucus, you can be aware of your fertility.
With nursing your baby, (Congratulations, by the way!) you are naturally suppressing ovulation. Now, you said that she is not nursing as much as she used to. Your fertility can return. You will notice mucus signs (signs of fertility) prior to your first mentrual flow. If you engage in the marital act during these fertile days, you can become pregnant. This is the time that you and your husband need to discuss your needs and your family life. If you prayerfully decide to postpone a pregnancy, then you need to be aware of these signs.
The websites are very helpful, and there are books that you can buy. If there is a class that is offered where you live, I would recommend that you get some information.
 
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kellifickel:
It is a culture that is created around a contraceptive mentality- one that counts on two incomes, that relies on so much stuff to make it financially, that doesn’t give enough support to coupels who generous grow the communion of siants. so no, this culture has caused more and more families to, in many cases genuinely, feel that they can’t have any more kids. And into this, I see the NFP promotion. Instead of standing out counter-cultural, it feeds into the trend, albiet less illicitly, but it definitely has a niche in the contraceptive trend of our society.
That was uncannily close to my thoughts on the topic. It’s very true that NFP is moral and responsible. But despite the personal nature of a couple’s choice as to whether or not to use NFP it’s still immensely important to notice that very many of us who are being faithful Catholics by using NFP have still bought into the contraceptive mentality, not to mention the general materialist mentality of the western world in general. Oftentimes it may not even be conscious, but the thoughts are still at work. I think modern Americans across the board underestimate how many children they “can” have, or can “afford.” That’s not to say I doubt the honesty of anyone’s convictions on the matter - we just live in a society that takes a much higher standard of living for granted that what used to be the norm.
 
Just thought I would try to make a point. Imagine standing in front of a bunch of engaged couples required to attend class for marriage preparation with your wife pregnant with your third child due in a few months and say “NFP is effective”. Something along the lines of “you’re not always going to look like my wife”. 🙂

There are some couples that may have one child, and for health reasons really should not conceive again. Where ABC or NFP are 99% effective, that is you can have confidence you can remain healthy, it is certainly something to point out. Otherwise, anyone would chose the greater effectiveness method and fall into the less-respect for life attitude.

I don’t know how many couples actively promote NFP or just recommend NFP in the terms mentioned in the first post. But some careful wording is always helpful to emphasize the positive points. For instance, instead of “planned” (as our three children), you can say “God answered our prayers” each time we asked for a child. Consequently, he hadn’t when we didn’t ask. That assumes of course you were prayerful and seriously considered life, which NFP is great at!

No one should judge anyone’s motivations for using NFP. That is between a couple and God. What might be serious issues for them may not be for you. That’s why the Church teaches prudence, and not a list of do’s or dont’s. For guidance, I suggest having one or two children to save money for a boat or even a college education may not be prudent, but having only one child that demands much care and perhaps finances might.

I’m not sure what I said makes sense. I do want to add that I’m happy to see other NFP teachers here, especially with different forms of NFP. Someone did mention a required class. That’s exciting news to me. I think our Archbishop’s mandation of an entire NFP course in marriage preparation in Denver has been a very good impact. The number of teachers in our area has more than doubled, I think in the past few years. It’s awesome!

Also, someone mentioned the Pope Paul VI Institute. Apparently they have a web site I found from google.com. It’s at popepaulvi.com/.
 
Personally, I think the first hurdle to be overcome in teaching people about NFP is how effective it is, the benefit of communication between the spouses etc… And after that, teach about the valid reasons for it’s use. Let the Holy Spirit do the convincing of valid reasons.

Does that make sense? It’s like we need to overcome the brainwashing that society has instilled into us that to use anything but ABC would lead to the poorhouse and more children than you could deal with. After the couple sees the godliness in NFP and embraces it, then may be the time to emphasize the proper reasons for it’s use.

KellyEr
 
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KellyEr:
Personally, I think the first hurdle to be overcome in teaching people about NFP is how effective it is, the benefit of communication between the spouses etc… And after that, teach about the valid reasons for it’s use. Let the Holy Spirit do the convincing of valid reasons.
This is well stated. When we promote NFP, we do say that NFP is healthy for our bodies as well as our marriage. If a couple chooses to use NFP (over ABC) for health benefits, then the spiritual benefits will follow. :yup:
 
Personally, I am more concerned with the language that is missing in our Catholic churches. Why is it that my husband and I are the only couple in our church who seem to know about the existence of NFP, let alone use it? Why is it that when I give our Pastor books and very excellent tapes and internet links on the subject, I get no response at all? Why do fellow Catholics ask very embarrassing questions like “So, are you done now?” and “How many does that make? Are you expecting another one already?”, and add other comments and dirty looks I don’t care to remember. Maybe some couples use NFP for misled reasons, but I think a worse problem is the lack of morality among so-called faithful Catholics and the inability of our Priests to speak the truth on this subject and many others. If our leaders taught the full truth of the Catholic faith, and took a stand on these hard issues, maybe there would be more understanding and less need for discussion in forums like these.
 
Okay, I have a question…every time I try to post a reply that is any length at all, I hit the submit button and find that it says I’m not logged on. I was logged on when I started the reply. Does the system automatically log us off if we take to much time?

Ugh!
KellyEr This one is short, it better work! 🙂
 
KellyEr,

What you are describing happened to me, but only once. I don’t know why though. If you can’t seem to fix it, you could at least use your mouse and highlight the whole inside of the typing box of your reply and then hold the Ctrl key and simultanously press the c key. Then click the submit button. So then if you lose your post you can press Ctrl-v to paste it all back again.

I never just hit the submit button. I always hit the preview buttom first so I can obsess about my spelling :whacky:

So, I really take a long time obsessing, and it doesn’t log me off.
 
From my personal experience as well as judging from most of the responses here, it seems that the key to understanding the real meaning and purpose behind NFP is basic instruction in the teachings of the Church regarding being open to human life, etc.
I’m thinking this kind of instruction should naturally occur in the high school youth programs.

Of course, instruction at home should be foremost, but that doesn’t always happen. I came from a very strong Catholic family and NONE of this was ever discussed. I went to Catholic school through 12th grade and, again, NONE of this was mentioned. We went through Engaged Encounter, marriage preparation with our priest, and NFP instruction, using the method for 10 years. It was always referred to as “acceptable birth control” by the Catholic Church.

Consequently, we used NFP until we were done having children; then my husband had a vasectomy. I cringe that we even did this and wish we could go back 9 years to undo what we did.
 
To: Thisnthat

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This reminds me of a situation that I encountered not too long ago. A woman called me to ask some questions about the NFP talk that my husband and I give. She had a tubal ligation a number of years before without knowing the teaching of the church. She was looking into a reversal, but it wouldn’t be covered by their insurance.
Anyway, the DRE had asked her to do the NFP talk. She firmly believes in it and desperately wished that she did not have the tubal.So, I proceeded to outline our talk for her. My husband and I state several times that any use of contraception is not in line with the church’s teaching. She told me that this DRE told her she was absolutely not permitted to say something like this! She was very distressed and wasn’t sure how she was going to handle the talk. The DRE had asked her if she was angry or upset when she discovered that she didn’t follow the Church’s teaching in regards to her tubal ligation. (insinuating that the Church offended this women by her teaching) She replied that she was angry. She was angry with the church and the priests, etc. She was angry that nobody advised her AGAINST having this procedure done! The DRE was not expecting that response.
In the end, I don’t know how the talk was handled, but I suspect she followed her heart (and the Truth). Consequently, I am sure she and her husband will not be asked to return to give that talk.
It’s tough. It’s a very difficult message to get across. As I had said before, my diocese is starting education in the Catholic High Schools. It will be incorporated in the Biology, Health and Religion classes. I’m anxious to see how it unfolds.
 
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