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PeterLD
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Being only 35 I only know of the 1970 Ordinary Mass. I’m curious to know was the *whole * Tridentine Mass in Latin? Even the sermon?
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bpbasilphx
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Well, obviously, the sermon would not have been in Latin in an ordinary parish church.
There were doubtless some universities and seminaries where the sermon was generally given in Latin.
But remember that the Pauline Missal, also known as the Ordinary Form, can likewise be celebrated entirely in Latin. Pope Benedict does so at most of his televised masses, such as this Nativity, though there were some parts in Italian and other languages.
There were doubtless some universities and seminaries where the sermon was generally given in Latin.
But remember that the Pauline Missal, also known as the Ordinary Form, can likewise be celebrated entirely in Latin. Pope Benedict does so at most of his televised masses, such as this Nativity, though there were some parts in Italian and other languages.
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jmj603
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At the time for the Sermon, the priest would typically read the Epistle and Gospel in the vernacular, make any announcements, and of course give the sermon in the vernacular.Being only 35 I only know of the 1970 Ordinary Mass. I’m curious to know was the *whole * Tridentine Mass in Latin? Even the sermon?
After Low Masses, the Leonine Prayers were typically said in the vernacular. Sometimes at Low Mass the music would be in the vernacular as well.
Permission was granted–though rarely used–for the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar (Introibo, etc.) at the beginning of Mass to be said in the vernacular. And some North American Indian missions had Papal indults for vernacular music at Sung Mass.
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OraLabora
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This is a very good point that is often forgotten. In fact the “official” language for the Pauline Mass is Latin. The vernacular is permitted where Latin would pose an obstacle.But remember that the Pauline Missal, also known as the Ordinary Form, can likewise be celebrated entirely in Latin.
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PeterLD
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So a televised Papal Mass today would give one an idea of what parts of the pre-1964 Tridentine Mass were in Latin and what were in the vernacular?
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bpbasilphx
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**It might be better to say that such a mass would be a good example of what His Holiness is deliberately holding up as an model for parishes to follow in the celebration of the Ordinary Form (Pauline or 1969 missal), as he has deliberately said.So a televised Papal Mass today would give one an idea of what parts of the pre-1964 Tridentine Mass were in Latin and what were in the vernacular?
You can see the Extraordinary Form (aka 1962 Mass) celebrated as solemnly as circumstances permit, on EWTN from time to time. As a general rule, the vernacular was NOT used at any point in the 1962 missal. (Exceptions unknown to me have been noted by others. Doubtless there were others.)**
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Chatter163
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A better idea would be to go to YouTube and search for Tridentine Mass.So a televised Papal Mass today would give one an idea of what parts of the pre-1964 Tridentine Mass were in Latin and what were in the vernacular?
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mwscott
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Whenever I have attended the Tridentine Mass the priest read the Epistle and Gospel in English just before the Sermon. The congregation generally stands when the Gospel is read in English before the Sermon. They do not however make the usual responses as in the Novus Ordo.
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pnewton
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Is the Greek Kyrie used?
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mwscott
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Yes.
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PeterLD
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I watched an old 1937 film of a Novena in honor of Our Sorrowful Mother. If there was a sermon, they skipped it.A better idea would be to go to YouTube and search for Tridentine Mass.
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Chatter163
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They did indeed, though note that that Mass, narrated by Msgr. Fulton J. Sheen, was in 1941, not 1937. The opening narration stated that the perpetual novena had started in 1937, but the date on the video (which I have had since 1985, when it first came out on VHS) states that the Mass was celebrated on Easter Day,1941.I watched an old 1937 film of a Novena in honor of Our Sorrowful Mother. If there was a sermon, they skipped it.
Also, in the old rite the sermon was not considered part of the liturgy, so not including it in the original film was not considered unusual. Finally, my suggestion to go to You Tube and look for Tridentine Masses was because I felt that even homemade videos of these, made in the present day, provide a better insight into what a TLM is like than the Pope’s Midnight Mass, which is quite different in many ways.
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