The LGBT movement will self destruct

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I came across this May 2016 opinion piece predicting the demise of the LGBT movement. It seems rather odd to make such a prediction when the movement is at the height of its popularity. Still, the movement arises out of the sexual revolution and turns human nature and human anthropology on its head. Such a rejection of human reality cannot endure indefinitely. So maybe she has a point. Here is an excerpt and a link to the article:

“Ideas have consequences, and gender ideologues are only beginning to grapple with the fruits of theirs. Political correctness can be powerful, but people are not endlessly willing to sacrifice themselves and their loved ones to its more ruinous offerings. Lacking the wherewithal to create a healthy culture, the LGBT movement will dwindle and die.
. . . . Future generations are sure to ask: how could the gender revolution ever have reached such absurdities? I intend to see that day.”

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This is an excellent and encouraging article.
I can see how it can happen, since the lengths to which the current government would have us go are clearly seen as absurd by many Americans.
No more separate bathrooms? We really don’t need government in our water closets. Imagine what George Washington would have said, once he got over the disbelief and shock.

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Well, they cannot pass their ideas on to their children… or maybe that is something not to be too closely looked at, :eek:
 
This was a fabulous article with some interesting thoughts. Thanks for the link…
 
Well, they cannot pass their ideas on to their children… or maybe that is something not to be too closely looked at, :eek:
But our schools, like the high school I teach in, are doing a pretty good job of it. Consider that the advancement of these perspectives didn’t happen primarily because homosexuals and transgender people were personally arguing for them. Our press, government, and schools have been done it.

I don’t see them doing anything other continuing onward, without some radical shift in the conversation.
 
Well, they cannot pass their ideas on to their children… or maybe that is something not to be too closely looked at, :eek:
Of course, they can now use the punishing arm of the state to force their views onto the children of others.

But time will triumph. The CCCP, with its militant atheism, was at its height in Reagan times, when it had existed for three generations. Three years after Reagan, it was suddenly no more.

The “Sex Revolution” has gone on for more than two generations, but it is inimical to natural human life itself. It too will go poof. And the overreaction will make Victorianism look like Mardi Gras.

ICXC NIKA
 
Thank you Jim G - a great article and articulately written. . . a nice little injection of Hope.

As GEddie points out, no matter what parents may presently think/desire, the governments (at least ours - north of the 49th) have by and large been effectively manipulated into becoming that club which the LGBT lobby wields to beat all impressionable minds - particularly the youngest ones, into submitting to their ideological fables.

And as the author Rachel Lu points out, pornography is another a major contributor to the wave of “unleashed sexual appetite” upon which not only the LGBT ride , but also in which many of our heterosexual brothers and sisters both old and young, married and unmarried, get swept up.

This would suggest to me that the change - barring some form of divine intervention, may not be something too imminent, nor something that would happen overnight. So prayer will always be essential.

I was encouraged by another piece linked in the article : Loveless,Narcissistic Sex Addicts: A Gay Man Critiques His Community

As things now stand, this could well be one of the first pillars upon which the change will begin to build : the courage of self-professed gays who admit, and insist, that despite their own sexual preferences, every child on this earth needs both a mother and father.

The voice of Dennis Altman, a professor at La Trobe University - one of the pioneers of gay rights, rose above the clamor some 10 years ago when he said that the “whole push for gay marriage was a load of self-indulgent cr*p”

And -
“Labor Senator and Climate Change Minister Penny Wong is openly gay and she also opposes same sex marriage,” reports SBS World News Australia. But – preach the gay activists – this is an unacceptable position.
While in the more public fora, one cannot help but admire the courage of the openly gay fashion legends Dolce and Gabbana, who spoke out eralier in March of this year :
We oppose gay adoptions,” the two told the Italian magazine Panorama. “The only family is the traditional one.”
“You are born to a mother and a father – or at least that’s how it should be,” Dolce said.
“The family is not a fad. In it, there is a supernatural sense of belonging,” Gabbana added.
The fashion duo expressed their vehement opposition to IVF, a technology that homosexual couples use to have children.
“No chemical offsprings and rented uterus: life has a natural flow, there are things that should not be changed,” they said.
Dolce said he opposed changing nature to create “children of chemistry, synthetic children, uteri for rent, semen chosen from a catalog.”
The article from which those quotes were taken is entitled Elton John urges boycott after gay designers Dolce and Gabbana come out against gay ‘marriage,’ adoption

Anyone who may not be too familiar with the story, might not have known that after Dolce and Gabbana made their statement public, Elton John subsequently went on a rant against them vociferating : " How dare you refer to my beautiful children as ‘synthetic.’ "

. . . Can’t help but wonder whether Elton may have missed the memo on this one. . . :hmmm: . . . after all, it may be science (embryology) , but it isn’t rocket science. Any way you slice it, it can still be reduced to one simple sentence:

**Honor your father and your mother.
**
Not, honor your father, your fake dad and your test tube and forget the womb of your receptacle (sure sounds “synthetic”)

or Honor your mother and her -]wife/-] um, -]spouse/-] , um -]state sanctioned partner/-] oh well, they know what we mean - even if we and much of the LGBT community aren’t exactly clear on what* they* mean.

I find it easy to pray for people like Dennis Altman, Dolce and Gabbana. Perhaps with enough prayer , many more of those who identify as LGBT might find the voice to speak up in favor/defense of the family, as well.

Why not ?

Doesn’t change usually come from within first ?
 
One could add to the list [from 2013] :


Most Gays Don’t Want to ‘Marry’, Adopt – French gay leader

The co-founder of a new French homosexual organization, Homovox, says that most homosexuals do not want to marry or adopt children, and are not supporters of the socialist government’s proposed legislation to create homosexual “marriage.”
French lesbian Nathalie de Williencourt says she decided to create the group as a result of her frustration over a vocal homosexual lobby that has been unquestioningly accepted as the mouthpiece of all of the country’s homosexuals.
The homosexuals Williencourt knows “don’t have any desire to marry nor to adopt.”
“They don’t feel represented by activists that they haven’t chosen, who steal the stage from a silent majority,” she told the French magazine Christian Family. “Many feel belittled, mistreated by this array of demands that stigmatize them. . .”
I’ll be praying for Nathalie Williencourt as well.
 
What does this author mean when she says “the LGBT movement”?

Is she talking about laws to protect LGBT men and women against discrimination?
No. Pretty sure she’s not. Probably talking more along the lines of her kids and mine being told that gender is a choice, and that their parents’ teaching on sexuality–if it’s the Christian one–is a hateful one.
Is she talking about the psychological, biological, and social study, research, discussion, and learning regarding the spectrum of sexuality that exists–and has always existed?
She probably didn’t mean quite that. More likely, she’s talking of the distortion of truth regarding sexuality which is best illustrated by your own wording: “study…research…discussion…spectrum of sexuality”; such verbiage is nothing but dressing up opinions as science.
She talks about “foolish ideas” coming from the “movement” and compares it to spelling, bad habits, and idiocy that will be remembered with “shame” and “derision”.
And yet, I don’t think she gives one example of these foolish ideas she speaks of (does she?) so…what is she saying?
It’s a well-kept secret what she really means–known only to anyone who has casually read a sampling of Catholic comments on this forum for any period of time.
Bad ideas don’t always die, Rachel.
Sometimes they remain for thousands of years because people get stuck doing the same thing for centuries and can’t bear change.
Like believing sexuality is a powerful gift that is every bit as susceptible to distortion and abuse as our other urges are. That it is tied to both creation of life and sharing of love, and is so special it ought only to be shared with a lifelong promise to the other, and to any potential children.
 
Is she talking about laws to protect LGBT men and women against discrimination?
Is she talking about the psychological, biological, and social study, research, discussion, and learning regarding the spectrum of sexuality that exists–and has always existed?
Just curious, DaddyGirl, et al: is there *anything *on the “spectrum of sexuality that exists” to which you say, “This is wrong and ought not be encouraged and celebrated”?
 
Just curious, DaddyGirl, et al: is there *anything *on the “spectrum of sexuality that exists” to which you say, “This is wrong and ought not be encouraged and celebrated”?
One wonders…
 
I came across this May 2016 opinion piece predicting the demise of the LGBT movement. It seems rather odd to make such a prediction when the movement is at the height of its popularity. Still, the movement arises out of the sexual revolution and turns human nature and human anthropology on its head. Such a rejection of human reality cannot endure indefinitely. So maybe she has a point. Here is an excerpt and a link to the article:

“Ideas have consequences, and gender ideologues are only beginning to grapple with the fruits of theirs. Political correctness can be powerful, but people are not endlessly willing to sacrifice themselves and their loved ones to its more ruinous offerings. Lacking the wherewithal to create a healthy culture, the LGBT movement will dwindle and die.
. . . . Future generations are sure to ask: how could the gender revolution ever have reached such absurdities? I intend to see that day.”

Link
Unfortunately the author for some reason ignores the only catalyst that is capable of correcting this
perverse view of sexuality that is now mainstream. The only way anyone is able to correct their moral
failings is to turn to the Lord that they have turned from or have never turned to for Grace.

The author says:

“Within my lifetime, the LGBT movement will die. It will be remembered not as a Selma moment, but as a Salem
moment: a period of collective insanity.”

I hope she is right but without a turn to the Lord I don’t see this happening.

God bless
 
What does this author mean when she says “the LGBT movement”?

Is she talking about laws to protect LGBT men and women against discrimination?
Is she talking about the psychological, biological, and social study, research, discussion, and learning regarding the spectrum of sexuality that exists–and has always existed?
No, I don’t think so. I believe she is referring to a structured advocacy promoting the embracing by society of a range of behaviours connected with sexuality. That persons of the same sex should be eligible to marry each other would be one example.
 
I came across this May 2016 opinion piece predicting the demise of the LGBT movement. It seems rather odd to make such a prediction when the movement is at the height of its popularity. Still, the movement arises out of the sexual revolution and turns human nature and human anthropology on its head. Such a rejection of human reality cannot endure indefinitely. So maybe she has a point. Here is an excerpt and a link to the article:

“Ideas have consequences, and gender ideologues are only beginning to grapple with the fruits of theirs. Political correctness can be powerful, but people are not endlessly willing to sacrifice themselves and their loved ones to its more ruinous offerings. Lacking the wherewithal to create a healthy culture, the LGBT movement will dwindle and die.
. . . . Future generations are sure to ask: how could the gender revolution ever have reached such absurdities? I intend to see that day.”

Link
I think there is a danger in looking at a movement such as this as a single entity. More, it is part of a collective, under the umbrella of the progressive movement, one of many front movements. To the extent that it stays or dies out is dependent on its usefulness to the progressive cause.

Jon
 
And yet, I don’t think she gives one example of these foolish ideas she speaks of (does she?) so…what is she saying?
Well, DG, she does offer some guidelines for ensuring a happy and contented society:

Shield kids from pornography? Tick.
And from explicit sexual images in all mediums? Tick.
Protect them against sexual predators? Tick.
Engage in civil discourse concerning the body, sex, marriage, and parenting? Tick.
Encourage responsible sociological research on the dynamics of non-traditional relationships and families? Tick.
Ensure poor children have stability? (Uh?) Tick.

All very worthwhile aims.

But I must admit to finding a certain degree of irony in that some people insist in imagining and describing in lurid details the worst possible excesses of, in this case, sexual identity, pointing out the extremes and extremists (which you get in any, ahem, movement), not understanding that by this very act, they are moving the general public’s perception of what is relatively normal to include what once was something they believed to be unimaginable.

I’m not saying that the (ahem) movement is making a specific tactical ploy here. But that’s the way it is playing out in any case.

I think that Ms Lu should be encouraged.
 
The LGBT movement is another example where Satan has taken virtue to it’s illogical end, resulting in evil.
 
I think there is a danger in looking at a movement such as this as a single entity. More, it is part of a collective, under the umbrella of the progressive movement, one of many front movements. To the extent that it stays or dies out is dependent on its usefulness to the progressive cause.

Jon
There has been a gay subculture for well over a hundred years. It’s not something that just sprung up in the 1960s. For example, people might want to read George Chauncey’s book, Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture, and the Making of the Gay Male World, 1890-1940 (Basic Books, 1995). According to the blurb at Amazon:
Gay New York brilliantly shatters the myth that before the 1960s gay life existed only in the closet, where gay men were isolated, invisible, and self-hating. Based on years of research and access to a rich trove of diaries, legal records, and other unpublished documents, this book is a fascinating portrait of a gay world that is not supposed to have existed.
Or according to another review:
Historian Chauncey (Univ. of Chicago) brilliantly maps out the complex gay world of turn-of-the-century New York City. This book’s publication is timed to coincide with the 25th anniversary of the uprising at the Stonewall Inn, which is often hailed as the birth of the modern gay and lesbian movement. Yet Chauncey convincingly puts Stonewall in perspective: It hardly marked the beginning of urban gay pride or nightlife. Rather than languishing in obscurity and isolation, as has long been assumed, many gay male New Yorkers thrived in close, often proud communities decades before the famous riots. He argues that before WW II the boundaries between homosexual and heterosexual behavior were far looser than they were later, particularly among working-class men. Gay New York reconstructs prewar gay life through police records, newspapers, oral histories, the papers of the Society for the Suppression of Vice, diaries, medical records, and other fascinating primary texts. The material is rich and much of it startlingly revealing about prewar social mores: A State Liquor Authority investigator in 1939 amiably refers to a drag queen by the feminine pronoun, boasting that ``she liked us very much,’’ while a musician’s diaries tell of his often successful attempts at picking up uniformed policemen. This was clearly a world of permeable sexual boundaries. Chauncey (co-editor, Hidden From History: Reclaiming the Gay and Lesbian Past, not reviewed) is a savvy tour guide, leading us through bars, speakeasies, parks, bathhouses, streets, rooming houses, and cafeterias, always providing ample historical context and intriguing interpretive possibilities. He explores not only the mainstream culture’s influence on gay urban life, but vice versa, arguing that homosexuality and heterosexuality are historically specific categories that evolved in the beginning of this century and shaped each other. Chauncey has made a stunning contribution not only to gay history, but to the study of urban life, class, gender–and heterosexuality.
amazon.com/Gay-New-York-Culture-1890-1940/dp/0465026214/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474344345&sr=8-1&keywords=gay+new+york

As long as there are gay people (and there probably always will be), there will be a gay subculture, although there might be attempts to suppress it.
 
There has been a gay subculture for well over a hundred years. It’s not something that just sprung up in the 1960s. For example, people might want to read George Chauncey’s book, Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture, and the Making of the Gay Male World, 1890-1940 (Basic Books, 1995). According to the blurb at Amazon:

Or according to another review:

amazon.com/Gay-New-York-Culture-1890-1940/dp/0465026214/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474344345&sr=8-1&keywords=gay+new+york

As long as there are gay people (and there probably always will be), there will be a gay subculture, although there might be attempts to suppress it.
True but it is the militancy and the attacking ,aggressive front. Having a subculture is fine as long as it stays “sub”
 
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