The liberal baby bust

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Why have kids. They have the public schools and the MSM to do their indoctrinization of other people’s kids.:rolleyes:

PF
 
I’ve also heard this called the “Rowe effect” (I think it originated with WSJ’s Taranto, but I’m not sure). People who are pro-abortion have fewer kids and/or have aborted potential future liberals.
 
Well, if the author intended this information as a wake up call to liberals, he’s too late, isn’t he? None of them wanted to look into the future and admit they wouldn’t be represented there because they didn’t have children. They expected to influence the world so that NO ONE would be having children. They were wrong. So, I guess Jesus has been proven right, once again, for truly it will be the meek who will inherit the earth since they are the only ones who had children.
 
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rlg94086:
I’ve also heard this called the “Rowe effect” (I think it originated with WSJ’s Taranto, but I’m not sure). People who are pro-abortion have fewer kids and/or have aborted potential future liberals.
😉 Shhhh don’t tell them it is another “evil genius” plot against them…shhhhhh
 
Oops, I spilled the beans. Does that mean I won’t get my monthly check from Haliburton anymore? :whistle:

BlestOne said:
😉 Shhhh don’t tell them it is another “evil genius” plot against them…shhhhhh
 
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rlg94086:
People who are pro-abortion have fewer kids and/or have aborted potential future liberals.
Isn’t that rather an assumption, that political ideology is somehow ‘inherited’? I can think of many cases where children have radically different political views to their parents.

Mike
 
Of course. However, I would guess that more than 50% of kids eventually lean in the direction of their parents, especially in large conservative Catholic or Mormon families. I have a hard time believing it is dramatically lower than 50%, so for arguments sake, let’s say it is exactly 50%. Since there are more births in the conservative families there would still be a higher number of future conservatives.

I don’t have numbers to back up my guess, but I have just as much anecdotal evidence as someone who wants to argue the contrary view. 😃

Robert
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MikeWM:
Isn’t that rather an assumption, that political ideology is somehow ‘inherited’? I can think of many cases where children have radically different political views to their parents.

Mike
 
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rlg94086:
Of course. However, I would guess that more than 50% of kids eventually lean in the direction of their parents, especially in large conservative Catholic or Mormon families. I have a hard time believing it is dramatically lower than 50%, so for arguments sake, let’s say it is exactly 50%. Since there are more births in the conservative families there would still be a higher number of future conservatives.

I don’t have numbers to back up my guess, but I have just as much anecdotal evidence as someone who wants to argue the contrary view. 😃

Robert
Actually, statistically, people in politics will tell you that the factor with the greatest predictive correlation to children’s political views as early adults is that of the parents. Dems raise Dems, Reps raise Reps, and Inds raise Inds. I think the correlation is over 80%. However, after the age of 40, realignment occurs over adulthood developed factors of values and economics. For instance, there is more likely there to be liberal young Republicans vs. older liberal Republicans and conservative young Democrats vs. older conservative Democrats. I’ve also been told by a politically active friend that cross-over voters are usually motivated by values while people who re-register are more likely to be motivated by economics.

On a side note, Catholics were at one time predominatly Democrats. This alignment was caused by two factors: In the post Civil War period to late 1800’s when the predominance of immigrants from Catholic countries came to America, (1) Social reformers in the late 1800’s were primarily Democrats (the social reforms advanced by Teddy Roosevelt Republicans were motivated by an effort to attract Catholic Democrats that were rising in power in the the Northeast to the detriment of the establishment powers in these states) and (2) the areas Catholics settled were controlled by Republican WASP’s so they identified with the Democrats.

Today, the registration of Catholics are about evenly divided. However, of Catholics who do not attend Mass regularly and identify themselves as culturally Catholic, 80% are Democrat.

Of Catholics who attend Mass regularly and identify themselves as spiritually Catholic, 80% are Republican. (It is my supposition of the 20% of Catholic Republicans who aren’t spiritual and the 20% of Democrats who are spiritual that they are registered primarily over social justice/economic issues and not over values (confirmed by the cross-over voter vs. re-registered voter discussion above). I also think they are motivated to change their parties from within on the values questions rather than leaving).

And of these younger Catholics (under the age of 35) who are Republican, many of them registered Republican before their parents registered Republican. This fact appears to be contrary to the political rule of thumb I mentioned at the beginning of this post about children following their parents in politics in their early years. However, it isn’t contrary if you drill down as all that happened is that these young people recognized that the GOP better reflects the families political views before their parents did.*
  • the source of this analysis is something I read about Catholic voters written I believe by Michael Novak.
 
Nice Post Orion! Thanks for the stats…I also think that parents who show their concern for political matters in front of their children are more likely to have children of their own party affiliation. I know in my house, (I have a 19 yo that missed being able to vote in 2004 by 3 months) heard me and my husband ranting about pro-death canidates and other issues…I am sure it influenced his opinions.
 
For Europe especially, the question will not be so much whether conservatives outproduce liberals, or Republicans outproduce Democrats, but whether muslims will become the new majority. The dominant liberal secularists now in charge cannot long remain so, if their breed is dying out.
 
It’s a very interesting thing to watch though (the politics in families). My mothers’ family was run by two VERY, VERY Democratic parents. My grandmother is still such a staunch (stubborn) Democrat that she thinks Hillary is the best thing since sliced bread (blech), Bill is the best man on this earth (:rotfl:) and GWB is Satan’s spawn :rolleyes: . (She lives in NY). Now, I wanted to question my grandfather, who was a VERY, VERY, devout Catholic as to why in the world would he vote for a pro-abortionist supporting Democrat, knowing it was wrong! Unfortunately he died before I could ask.

Anyway… back to gramma… she’s a democrat, she had three daughters. Two are very republican (became so in their late teens) and one is a stubborn democrat who has taught her own daughter that abortion is a choice for her to make. Looking at the statistics so far… of the two republican daughters, just between the two of them, there are 5 kids. The democrat daughter had two children. (The odds are already stacked). Now, of the republican people… there are 7 grandkids. The democrats kids don’t want any.

I find it funny… little sad but funny. it’ll be interesting to see later down the road if it’ll change again. I don’t see myself, my siblings or my cousins changing our views that drastically.
 
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Orionthehunter:
Actually, statistically, people in politics will tell you that the factor with the greatest predictive correlation to children’s political views as early adults is that of the parents. Dems raise Dems, Reps raise Reps, and Inds raise Inds. I think the correlation is over 80%. However, after the age of 40, realignment occurs over adulthood developed factors of values and economics. For instance, there is more likely there to be liberal young Republicans vs. older liberal Republicans and conservative young Democrats vs. older conservative Democrats. I’ve also been told by a politically active friend that cross-over voters are usually motivated by values while people who re-register are more likely to be motivated by economics.
Interesting facts there, thanks. I don’t deny there must be some correlation, but I was wondering how strong it was.

Mike
 
The hatred for Democrats on this forum is palpable. I can understand disagreement, but such glee and hatred I don’t understand–especially on a purportedly Catholic Christian website.

I am a Democrat and have never had an abortion. The red states have the most out of wedlock births as well. I don’t see all of you bragging about the fornication going on in your states.
 
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bapcathluth:
The hatred for Democrats on this forum is palpable. I can understand disagreement, but such glee and hatred I don’t understand–especially on a purportedly Catholic Christian website.

I am a Democrat and have never had an abortion. The red states have the most out of wedlock births as well. I don’t see all of you bragging about the fornication going on in your states.
Where are the statistics to back this up? It hasn’t been my experience at all…but then maybe it is because we keep our babies not kill them…something to think about!
 
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MikeWM:
Isn’t that rather an assumption, that political ideology is somehow ‘inherited’? I can think of many cases where children have radically different political views to their parents.

Mike
My Mom would agree with you! -🙂
 
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bapcathluth:
The hatred for Democrats on this forum is palpable. I can understand disagreement, but such glee and hatred I don’t understand–especially on a purportedly Catholic Christian website.

I am a Democrat and have never had an abortion. The red states have the most out of wedlock births as well. I don’t see all of you bragging about the fornication going on in your states.
I havent seen much hatred for Democrats in this thread. I can understand your defensivness though-you belong to party that promotes taxpayer funded abortions up to the moment the child fully exits the womb. You vote for people who believe that killing ones child is the most fundamental right a woman has. That is a lot of baggage of for one to carry around, especially if one is Catholic.
 
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bapcathluth:
The hatred for Democrats on this forum is palpable.
Really? I’ve re-read all of the posts in this thread and haven’t come across any hatred.
I can understand disagreement, but such glee and hatred I don’t understand–especially on a purportedly Catholic Christian website.
Again, I see no hatred. I guess you could make an argument for “glee” as some might (and likely do) see the diminishing numbers of liberals as a positive thing. I would be one of those people as I feel liberalism, as practiced in America is evil.
I am a Democrat and have never had an abortion.
Good for you. My parents are Democrats and thru God brought me and my sister into the world.
The red states have the most out of wedlock births as well. I don’t see all of you bragging about the fornication going on in your states.
Why would we brag about sinful behavior? :confused:
 
I’ll grant there is some glibness on this thread, but glib does not equal hate. “Hate” is one of those rhetorical devices thrown about so much it has lost all meaning. For an example of hate, review some of the threads where Bush was accused of being a moron AND an evil genius at the same time.
 
Scott Waddell:
For an example of hate, review some of the threads where Bush was accused of being a moron AND an evil genius at the same time.
Or any of the threads where there is a mention of the Clintons, John Kerry, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, Jane Fonda…

Mike
 
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