The Lost Generation of Catholics

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anamchara said:
lol, my house is a mess today. I must admit this. :o

I’m a democrate as well Kariann, nice to meet ya. 🙂
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I’m almost afraid to say this, but me too. And a feminist; I mean a true feminist, not a feminazi or the new term femifascist. And I’d have jumped at the chance to serve at Mass. And pro-life, like many other Dems and feminists.

And I’m one of those old fogies from the 50s and 60s that some people want to step aside.

Nope. No thanks. I’m right where I belong.
 
Count me as another guy who dislikes most modern church architecture. What I hate most of all are beautiful old churches that were ruined to conform to some kind of make-believe new liturgical norms that supposedly sprang from Vatican II. A good example would be the Cathedral in Milwaukee. I’ve never seen it person, but the pictures make it look disgustingly hideous. I’ll soon get to see it in person, so my opinion may change, though I highly doubt it. As a historic preservationist, it just really bothers me because the new sancturary was so insensitive to the building’s original design and will date badly (it looked dated when I first saw pictures - its very 70’s). Mark my words, within the next fifty years they will be spending a fortune to undo the damage.

Fortunately, most parish churches I’ve encountered seem to have kept their main altars, stained glass, etc., probably because a full remodel is too expensive. A lot of things were removed, mostly altar rails and side altars, but at least the parish won’t be starting fron scratch when the tides change and move back towards more traditional church architecture. And there are some cases of good remodelling: The restoration/renovation of the Basica of St. Josephat, also in Milwaukee, appears to have been much more sensitive to the beauty of the original structure and will probably hold up wonderfully for years to come. Also, the restoration of the Basillica in Baltimore seems to have taken great effort to truly restore the building to its original appearance.
 
Karianne said:
I am a Catholic and I am a Democrat. If you dare to challenge my integrity as a Catholic you’d be in big trouble.
Many of the Catholics who are also Republican would make great Fundamentalists, THEY are the ones who are trying to ruin our pluralistic church, not me.
They actually focus more on Abortion than on helping the mothers who might abort, they hate the idea of Gay unions even though no one believes that the church should be forced to perform Gay marriages.
And the lack of charity towards people who disagree with them is astonishing!
Isn’t a sin against charity even worse than a sin against sexual intemperance?
Isn’t the greatest of these…CHARITY?
There are people on this site who lack charity and who are proud of it so they lack humility as well.
And why are all these married women and mothers on the computer so much anyway? Who is taking care of their homes?
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OK now I am angry. Holy Mother Church is one not pluralistic. (meaning belief in varying things)

We believe in one Holy catholic and apostolic Church.

And as for un-charitable: You expect married women with children to be silent and what? Most of us with families have been on this for years and post on the average (over a long period of time) 1 or 2 posts a day. Not that it is anyones business how long we spend on the computer. (PS you have been on this site since 12/11/06 and have more then 430 posts)
 
Julianna said:
Now that was low blow, there, netmil(name removed by moderator).
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What do you have against California?
Half my family lives there.

From what I have heard and read in the Roamin’ Catholic sites for LA, SF and SD, California is just what the OP is talking about.

Hard pressed to find a traditional Catholic Church anywhere. After going through the posts for SD, I found one, and only one that was not an innovative parish.
 
decn2b said:
Wow you read my mind Completely I am a 39 y/o member of the LOST generation. I personally feel that Us older LOST ones have it worse than you younger LOST ones. I come from Generation X and the church (at least in my diocese) was freshly stripped of all things sacred and the KUMBAYA was in full swing. I had never heard of adoration, was never taught the rosary and confession was somthing that didn’t happen anymore. I have no idea how I escaped it but It has taken me at least a decade to learn my faith. CCD in my childhood was nothing but a mishmash of humanism.
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Our internet connection was down yesterday, so I’m a little behind on this thread…just catching up.

The three parishes I’ve frequented over the past 20 years were all new buildings: St. Mary Mother of Jesus in Brooklyn, Holy Redeemer and Assumption in St. Louis. Holy Redeemer was the first church built to Vatican II specs in St. Louis. St. Mary’s and Assumption are both in the shape stars. All have altars, tabernacles, crucifixes…all that stuff except choir lofts. Holy Redeemer’s choir is in the first few rows of the church to one side. The other two have spaces for the choir in front but off to the side of the altars, not obtrusive or focusing on the choir. Holy Redeemer’s walls are stained glass stations of the cross. The Shrine in Belleville is very modern, and has all those things. I’ve never seen the kind of church you’re referring to, except for the time when we had to have Masses in the basements and gyms because there were so many people (1960s by the way).

I hope you all find the parish to fit you. Hey! Move here! I’ll be glad to help.
 
KathleenElsie said:
OK now I am angry. Holy Mother Church is one not pluralistic. (meaning belief in varying things)

We believe in one Holy catholic and apostolic Church.

And as for un-charitable: You expect married women with children to be silent and what? Most of us with families have been on this for years and post on the average (over a long period of time) 1 or 2 posts a day. Not that it is anyones business how long we spend on the computer. (PS you have been on this site since 12/11/06 and have more then 430 posts)
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Anger is one of the seven deadly sins isn’t it?
We have a pluralistic Church. Deal with it!
 
Karianne said:
Anger is one of the seven deadly sins isn’t it?
We have a pluralistic Church. Deal with it!
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I’m not taking sides or trying to be obnoxious or anything like that, but what exactly do you mean by pluralistic church?
 
Karianne said:
What does assersion mean?
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Ooooops the dictionary is my friend too.
Let’s try “assertion” instead.

(my kingdom for a spell check) 😛

Now, since I have shown how completely lame I am at spelling, how about if you give a reference for your statement (there, I can spell that) that the Catholic Church is pluralistic instead of “Get over it”, which of course is the innovators favorite phrase.
 
palmas85 said:
I’m not taking sides or trying to be obnoxious or anything like that, but what exactly do you mean by pluralistic church?
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Maybe she means the desire for pluralistic acceptance of the fourty thousand Protestant Denominations who all believe they are unified in Christ. The Catholic Church is not pluralistic, even though the modernists and liberals would have it to be so, if they could have their way.

As Kathleen said, we are one holy, catholic and apostolic church.
 
Oh please don’t let this thread die from semanticism!!

Yes, the Church is made up of millions of distinct individuals of all types. We welcome all–that is why we are catholic with a small c.

But we are then called to be in UNITY. That’s where the individualism and the pluralism stops, the reality of “One Body” starts.

Holy, catholic, apostolic–and universal. Eternal and unchanging.
 
paramedicgirl said:
Maybe she means the desire for pluralistic acceptance of the fourty thousand Protestant Denominations who all believe they are unified in Christ. The Catholic Church is not pluralistic, even though the modernists and liberals would have it to be so, if they could have their way.

As Kathleen said, we are one holy, catholic and apostolic church.
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That’s not what I mean but it’s interesting to see your perceptions.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Oh please don’t let this thread die from semanticism!!

Yes, the Church is made up of millions of distinct individuals of all types. We welcome all–that is why we are catholic with a small c.

But we are then called to be in UNITY. That’s where the individualism and the pluralism stops, the reality of “One Body” starts.

Holy, catholic, apostolic–and universal. Eternal and unchanging.
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You must be a lawyer. Well said!
 
netmil(name removed by moderator) said:
Ooooops the dictionary is my friend too.
Let’s try “assertion” instead.

(my kingdom for a spell check) 😛

Now, since I have shown how completely lame I am at spelling, how about if you give a reference for your statement (there, I can spell that) that the Catholic Church is pluralistic instead of “Get over it”, which of course is the innovators favorite phrase.
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Oh…okay.
The church is composed of many different styles of Catholicism. The Mass you attend in the Spanish Church will differ from the Mass that you attend in
Michigan, or wherever you’re from. The White, American Catholic will have to learn to live with the differences if we are to be united.

The styles in no way affect the basic truths which are found in our Creed.

As for the seven deadly sins, Anger is definitely one of them and I find it really hard to believe that anyone would become angry because of something that an unknown poster wrote on a messageboard.
Unless that person has anger issues.
 
The church is composed of many different styles of Catholicism. The Mass you attend in the Spanish Church will differ from the Mass that you attend in
Michigan, or wherever you’re from. The White, American Catholic will have to learn to live with the differences if we are to be united.
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Not really, one doesn’t have to introduce differences into their church if there is no reason to. “Styles” have no ecclesiastical right and are arbitrary and changable at the whim of the pastor or anyone he delegates liturgical planning to. I could waltz into a Spanish parish as pastor and decide to say Mass according to the '02 MR ad orientem in Latin and that would be that until I was moved or died or likewise could waltz into a white suburban parish and decide to have a “Spanish Mass”. I for one see a problem with this, if we are to be the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church a better degree of universality should be in place.

I think ethnic parishes are nice, one of my childhood parishes was Polish but one could go to the Polish, German, Irish or Italian parish and still hear the same Mass. The devotions might be different, but the Mass was the same.
The styles in no way affect the basic truths which are found in our Creed.
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However, as Catholics, there is more to believe in than the “basic truths which are found in our Creed”.
As for the seven deadly sins, Anger is definitely one of them and I find it really hard to believe that anyone would become angry because of something that an unknown poster wrote on a messageboard.
Unless that person has anger issues.
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Not all that we call “anger” is the Anger spoken of as part of the seven deadly sins. Blowing off steam, frustration, being “angry” are usually not even sins but rather imperfections that we all suffer from because of the Fall.

A better term for “anger” as pertaining to the Seven Deadly Sins would be “wrath”.
 
There was a time when it wasn’t different… when Mass in the Spanish parish would have been virtually identical to Mass in the American parish. Again, the preoccupation with personal expression in the Mass. This is the mentality that has led to a lost generation of Catholics and, I think, a loss of identity amongst Catholics of the Roman rite.
 
Karianne said:
Oh…okay.
The church is composed of many different styles of Catholicism. The Mass you attend in the Spanish Church will differ from the Mass that you attend in
Michigan, or wherever you’re from. The White, American Catholic will have to learn to live with the differences if we are to be united.
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Well actually, unless one is speaking of a totally different rite (i.e. Chaldean etc.) or the TLM each Holy Mass must follow the GIRM.
Anything more or less is abuse or innovation.
 
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