The rosary is not from Tradition.
Actually the Pater Noster has evolved. The Western Church ommitted the doxology at the end of it - “For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto the ages of ages” (which is still said in the East), and then re-introduced the Protestant version of it at good ol’ Vatican II, without the Trinitarian formula. Not that I mind the Tridentine version of the Pater Noster - but it did “mess with tradition”. (And the Rosary is a “tradition”, not a part of the deposit of Faith which we capitalize as Tradition. To be sure, it was given by the Theotokos herself to St. Dominic - but even she was “messing with tradition”, since it was given as a replacement for the Psalter for laymen - and is really inappropriate in some situations, such as before Liturgy when Orthros/Matins is supposed to be said.)
There isn’t any need to; I’m sure that plenty of traditional Catholics gain all the spiritual benefit they can just doing the traditional fifteen. I do the luminous because I do find them beneficial, but I wouldn’t want to “convert” people to them, especially traditional Catholics (I am generally rather tradition-minded myself). In the same way I wouldn’t ask other Latin Catholics to “please come to Byzantine Divine Liturgy, you will find it uplifting” - there is no need for the average layman to change rites when they are fine the way they are.
But we still do say the fifteen mysteries of the Rosary! This does not mean that we do not also have other devotions - the Mass (which is kind of important), the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, the Luminous Mysteries of the Rosary, the Akathist, the chotki, etc. etc. etc. On Thursdays I usually say the Mysteries of Light instead of the Joyful Mysteries. Unlike the “traditional Rosary”, the luminous mysteries are not a substitute for the Psalter - but if I have time before Liturgy I pray Matins rather than the Rosary anyway (which is the more proper thing to do). The Rosary, unlike the Mass, was never part of the official, public worship of the Church - traditionally the Liturgy of the Hours is supposed to be said before liturgy, not the Rosary.
Actually, take the whole second half out of the Ave Maria. In Russia the intercessory portion of the prayer never developed:
You know, that’s interesting. Maybe this should be another thread, but when I read the Apostolic Letter that proposed the Luminous Mysteries I saw no mention of the Fatima prayer. I’ve read elsewhere that praying the Fatima prayer is largely a United States phenomenon. I’ve never seen any source material that says that the Blessed Virgin requested this of everyone. Can anyone point out where such source material can be found?
Our Lady did not call for any mysteries to be added to the Rosary. It was perfectly fine the way it was without the luminous mysteries. Going by what Our Lady says isn’t being stubborn. As another poster on this very thread stated, just because a Pope does something does not automatically make it right.WFS5801, I say stubborn because on another thread a very long time ago - on this same subject - posters were adamant about not including the Luminous Mysteries in their Rosary because they considered only the Psalter the “traditional” Rosary. Some objected to the Fatima Prayer, even though that was requested by our Blessed Virgin. That is stubborn.
Now, there is another target - Our Holy Father John Paul II.
Of course the Luminous Mysteries are “suggestions” and not required, but the Rosary itself is not required.
What I don’t understand is the objection to adding another beautiful Mystery to the Rosary.
Explain that to me. And being sarcastic about the words of our Holy Father’s Apostolic Letter does not cut it for me.
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Actually, the sun never rises north of east unless you are south of the Tropic of Cancer. (Oh, wait, you said you didn’t want quibbling
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So what you are saying is that every action taken by every Pope was and is good and proper. Is that about right?
Who cares?
I do, on Thursday. They are beautiful but I have concerns. Are they indulgenced? And, as somebody, previously, mentioned they break up the Psalter which was the historical and spiritual foundation of the original rosary. 3 mysteries X 50 Hail Marys = 150
I tend to visualize Him teaching in various locations, trudging daily along dusty paths in His earthly struggle. The Beatitudes. The feeding of the four thousand. I also contemplate those whom our Lord sent forth which were not Apostles: the Gerasene demoniac (Luke 8:38-39), the Samaritan woman (John 4:28-30), the leper who was cleansed (Luke 17:11-19); the widow of Nain and her son (Luke 7:11-17). All went forth as a part of proclaiming the Kingdom.
