The Mark of the Beast

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;5461338:

There is coming a day when you will know beyond all doubt that Israel put to death their messiah. For when he returns the second time, he will be coming in all his glory.

Do you know how offerings were offered up unto God for the forgiveness of sins?

Christ was offered up for all of mankind, bringing salvation not just to the Jew, but to the world.

I wonder how you can be a Catholic after the late Pope John 23rd asked publicly from the Jewish People to forgive Christianity for this 2000-year-old false accusation that Israel put Jesus to death. That’s a real shame on you.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Mark 15
Pilate again said to them in reply, “Then what (do you want) me to do with (the man you call) the king of the Jews?”
Luke 23
Pilate questioned him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” He said to him in reply, “You say so.”
John 18
Jesus answered, "My kingdom does not belong to this world. If my kingdom did belong to this world, my attendants (would) be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not here.

Jesus said He is a King He is our King.

That was such a charade of a trial that I would feel embarrassed to even bring it out of the pages of the gospels.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;5461838:

Here is the scripture
Now you may say that he is interpreting this meeting with Cephas/Peter as being a confirmation when it is not but he met with Peter for 15 days it is reasonable that he was discussing his calling.

Because Peter took the Gospel to the Gentiles does not exclude Paul from doing it also. Paul may not have protested why should he. It wasn’t a contest but it does say
To use your reasoning Peter didn’t protest that Paul worked among the Gentiles so he must have approved.

**You are speculating, assuming and gasping at the same breath, like a child who is caught doing something wrong. **

 

[adrift]

adrift;5463276:

**You are speculating, assuming and gasping at the same breath, like a child who is caught doing something wrong. **

DITTO

 

[jake23]

Ben is someone who is an ensecure person who is attacking God and his poeple in an attemped to make himself feel good about himself, Though I feel confident he is not succeeding but instead becoming more obsessed in disgracing God and his children. Let us pray with sympathy for him! He is a lost soul who is persecuting Gods poeple when deep down he probably wishes to be apart of Christ eternal love, but has not found the faith and courage to do so leaving him to resent us. Ignorance can be ones own self destruction, but with love and patience others might be able to help him open his eyes to the living God in Christ that has been reaching out to him from the beginning!

 

[heiscominginthe]

heiscominginthe;5462474:

I wonder how you can be a Catholic after the late Pope John 23rd asked publicly from the Jewish People to forgive Christianity for this 2000-year-old false accusation that Israel put Jesus to death. That’s a real shame on you.

Firstly, I am not catholic. Secondly, I believe it is written in the NT that Jesus was put to death by the Jews. They may not of pounded the nails into his hands and feet, but they did indeed convict him and condemed him, taking him to Pilot to be crucified.

So I do not apologize at all. Yet, I believe it is only that generation that is held accountable for this.

 

[jake23]

Look this is just an insecure kid trying to jerk some chains! The pope meant that it was gods intention for christ to be crucified for our sins and made it happen through the jewish corrupt highpriest and the roman soldiers. Instead of getting agrevated, we should pray for his lost soul!

 

[ryanoneil]

John the Baptist was a Levite and a prophet, and his baptizing Jesus was the anointing of the king of the house of David (1 Samuel 16:13)

**Please Ryanoneil, you can do much better than that! John the Baptist would immerse crowds of Jews in the Jordan everyday. That’s what he chose to do for an occupation. You speak of his doing it to Jesus as if Jesus had been the only Jew he ever immersed in waters. And next time you mention this, please use the word “immersion”. Jews don’t baptize. **

No Ben, I don’t speak of his doing it only to Jesus. You are missing the point. If I turned the tables I’d say you are claiming only Israel’s kings had oil poured on them.

I see the hand of Paul in this pot. Otherwise, definitely the Church is behind this one. That’s a classical NT interpolation.

Of course the early Church is behind this because they recorded the events of Jesus life. Paul did not write the book of Matthew.

**Now, you are assuming that II Samuel 7:14 is talking about Jesus. No wonder the whole NT is a gigantic treatise of plagiarism. **

II Samuel 7:14 is talking about David and all the kings of his line.

Now, take advantage of the tramp and stop by Exodus 4:22,23 and see if the language is not the same about the real son of God. "Israel is My Son…"

Israel had not asked for or been given a king at this time. Of course God refers to Israel as His first-born son, but the idea of divine sonship was not applied to one individual until II Samuel 7:14. Face it Ben, God makes promises to individuals. God made the promise of Psalm 2:7 to David and all the kings of his line. Not only is the Lord’s Anointed, promised that he will be Son of God, but he also has all nations to “the ends of the earth” for his inheritance.

 

[sambos671]

Ben Just some thoughts

The moon begins to shine on the first day of the month and goes on shining until the fifteenth day, when she is full. After the fifteenth day her light wanes until on the thritieth day it is not seen at all. With Israel too, there were fifteen generations from Abraham to Solomon…(After Solomon) the kings began to wane…(until) Zedekiah when the light of the moon vanished completely - Exodus Rabbah 15:26

Note and compare with Matthew 1:17

therefore all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; from David to the deportation to babylon fourteen generations; and from the deportation to babylon to the time of Messiah fourteen generations

The message is clear from Matthews point of view (not Pauls here) that Yeshua is descended directly from David. Matthew is using the mathmatical method of reading the text. Gematria. Do when we take Davids name: dalet = numerical value of 4; vav = 6; dalet = 4 we sum it up coming up with 14. So when we take 14 generations three times the Jewish readers are reading David, David, David!

S, your attempt to say only a certain % of the Gospels are true is disingeuous. In reality the writers of the NT are

intending to communicate forthrightly and clearly in their own language and cultural context

Which is why we see so much Jewish attributes all over the NT. You can say aspects are not fully understood from a western context but it doesn’t discreadit the validity of all the gospels. We can take a Midrashic view of the NT but you will come to the same conclusions christians have. Yeshua is Ha Mashiach. As far as John the baptist note this saying

Rav Yehudah said, " if Israel does not repent, they will not be redeemed…and there will be no great repentance in Israel until Elijah of blessed memory comes as it is said “behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. he will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse” - Pirke De Rabbi Eliezer chapter 43

So when we look a Yochanon Ben Zecharyah he comes in the tradition of Prophet priest ie Moses, Samuel, Jeremiah, Exekiel and Zechariah but also he came in the spirit of Elijah as we can see by how he dressed. Most likely he was a member of the Essene community at Qumran. Since he is coming to us in this tradition he is here to make a king like Samuel to fulfill Malachi. To the Jews Messiah is King. Because note those annointed are King. But where is Yeshua’s annointing? When we comes out of the Jordan the Holy Spirit decends upon him. Yeah Ben I think you are only part way looking at the NT texts.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben is someone who is an ensecure person who is attacking God and his poeple in an attemped to make himself feel good about himself, Though I feel confident he is not succeeding but instead becoming more obsessed in disgracing God and his children. Let us pray with sympathy for him! He is a lost soul who is persecuting Gods poeple when deep down he probably wishes to be apart of Christ eternal love, but has not found the faith and courage to do so leaving him to resent us. Ignorance can be ones own self destruction, but with love and patience others might be able to help him open his eyes to the living God in Christ that has been reaching out to him from the beginning!

My consolation is that you know for sure that I am attacking neither God nor His People. You wish you could love God as much as I do. And to know who His people are, you have only to read the Tanach. But you Catholic guys prefer to trust the Church and leave the Scriptures to the Priests. That’s a pity.

 

[Ben_Masada]

I don’t think there is any more place in your heart for any more hatred for the Jewish People. I have never heard of more Jewish hatred than yours. God have mercy on us if you had any power.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;5463971:

Firstly, I am not catholic. Secondly, I believe it is written in the NT that Jesus was put to death by the Jews. They may not of pounded the nails into his hands and feet, but they did indeed convict him and condemed him, taking him to Pilot to be crucified.

So I do not apologize at all. Yet, I believe it is only that generation that is held accountable for this.

It doesn’t matter if you believe that only that generation or also ours that should be accountable for Jesus’ crucifixion. It’s Antisemitism to perpetuate a false accusation according to Pope John 23rd.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Look this is just an insecure kid trying to jerk some chains! The pope meant that it was gods intention for christ to be crucified for our sins and made it happen through the jewish corrupt highpriest and the roman soldiers. Instead of getting agrevated, we should pray for his lost soul!

That’s a lie of the gospel writer or of the Church. The High Priest would never condemn a Jew who came to uphold God’s Law, which is the most important thing in the life the Jewish People. (Mat. 5:19)

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

That’s a lie of the gospel writer or of the Church. The High Priest would never condemn a Jew who came to uphold God’s Law, which is the most important thing in the life the Jewish People. (Mat. 5:19)

So you’re saying the Gospels are a lie? Who were the people who were shouting “Crucify Him”, they weren’t any other people but the Jews. Can’t you face the fact that the Jews wanted Christ dead? He was a threat to them and you must know this. If the Jews could only accept this as it says in the Gospels, then you would understand them better. But you act like Jews could do no wrong. That is the trouble with them even as of today.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

heiscominginthe;5466477:

It doesn’t matter if you believe that only that generation or also ours that should be accountable for Jesus’ crucifixion. It’s Antisemitism to perpetuate a false accusation according to Pope John 23rd.

There goes that anti-semitism card again…what do you then call yourself who is a hater of Christians meaning Jesus Christ?

 

[sambos671]

Its interesting Ben Masaada how you skipped over my post 1056 just to reply to people who you accuse of being anti semetic. You forget they hold the authority of the NT and it says the Sanhedrin convicted Jesus. They lead Jesus to the Romans and instigated the crowds to have Jesus crucified. Now the fact of our Faith with the Pope mentions is that Man’s sins lead Jesus to the Cross and so we are all to blame for that regard doesn’t change the fact that Jews convicted Jesus or that the Romans killed him.

 

[jake23]

This guy is like a jewish version of hitler when it comes to his thaughts on others. A couple of loose nuts for sure! talking to this guy is like trying to get a paralized person to run a marathon, it wont be acomplished. I would suggest that everyone let this antichrist be. He is in a hole and should be left there to bicker to himself alone. Let us not give him the satisfaction of keeping him company! Good luck!

True child of God, over and out!

 

[Nino]

The Mark of the Beast

Christians, especially Protestants, and among them, the Seventh-Day Adventists in particular, enjoy to talk about the mark of the Beast; and with fantastic definitions, that only make a ridiculous picture of themselves. Then, they charge each other with the potential to get the mark of the Beast. They think of almost everything but the real thing, which is given by the NT itself.

The mark of the Beast appears in conjunction with the Antichrist. Morphologically, the term Antichrist is composed of two words: Anti and Christ. Anti means to stand against
or to contradict. Christ means what Christians believe Jesus was. So, what stands
against Christ is only obvious that it means the Antichrist.

According to Matthew 5:17, Jesus declared that he had not come to abolish the Jewish laws. Then, 30 years later, Paul came and said that what Jesus said was not true, but rather that the Jewish laws were abolished on the cross. (Ephe. 2:15)

As we can see, Paul stood against what Jesus said by contradicting his words about his purpose regarding the Jewish laws. If Jesus was indeed Christ, as Christians believe he was, it’s only obvious that Paul acted as the Antichrist.

Now, where did Paul say the Jewish laws were abolished? On the cross. And what did the cross mean to him? “God forbid,” he said, “that I should glory in anything save in the cross.” The cross meant the glory of Paul. (Gal. 6:14)

Now, we have the mark of the Beast: The cross, a symbol of shame and a curse to the Anointed of the Lord, who, in the words of Habakkuk 3:13, is the People of Israel, the Jewish People.

Now, your comments are welcome.

Ben.

Did I read this correctly…the mark of the beast is the cross…mmm.how clever to enter a christian site and insult them…! The cross is just a form of punishment…thats all…a year before Jesus was nailed to the thing some 3000 Jews were also nailed to that non-electric chair! What if Jesus were hung…would you then claim the mark of the beast is the noose etc etc.no the mark of the beast is always changing…but usually since the beast controls the worlds media the hint is whomever they compliment…like the pedophile Jackson.or the intern molestor,Clinton, or the savior of communism at Yalta…FDR or certain talk show hosts who pretend to be anti-beast but do their work in a different angle! check the latest hate crimes bill…their you see the mark of the beast in all its glory…perversions are protected but we who are anti-abortion,pro-second amendment and vets are to be considered possible terrorists and must be watched! The mark of the beast is therefor like a brand on a cow…those in the club instantly know the words to use for that day…no matter how absurd…re: earth warming…the beat goes on for the beast is our better and must always be obeyed! notice how the spin is on about the death of the bump; and grinder MJ…too much is out on his sick amusements…sleeping with little boys…so they must make a martyr out of him…you must get a cheap; thrill out of insulting these Christians…enjoy

 

[adrift]

It doesn’t matter if you believe that only that generation or also ours that should be accountable for Jesus’ crucifixion. It’s Antisemitism to perpetuate a false accusation according to Pope John 23rd.

Cite a source for this.

 

[adrift]

That’s a lie of the gospel writer or of the Church. The High Priest would never condemn a Jew who came to uphold God’s Law, which is the most important thing in the life the Jewish People. (Mat. 5:19)

So you write but do you have proof? Didn’t think so.