The Mark of the Beast

[look3467]

**Any decision to love will end in hatred and probably tragedy. Therefore, there is no such a thing as decision to love.

If God initiated the covenant with Abraham, then God is respecter of people. In this case, what do you mean by your first statement, “I haven’t forgotten that God is no respecter of people?”

I believe the opposite is true. Instead of “the more you love something, the more you learn it,” I would say, The more you learn about something, the more you love it, …or not. But hey! You must have your reasons to believe the way you do.**

Decision to love is not a commitment to love.
A commitment to love involves forgives where as a decision to love is conditional.

The quote "God is no respecter of persons means the opposite.

Meaning, that there is not one person God does not love.

Blessing’s, AJ

 

[look3467]

Ben

Jesus did not lay down his life for his friends of his own freewill. Don’t forget that he prayed three times for that not to happen. At the end he said, “Be Thy will done and not mine.” What was Jesus’ will, to lay down his life? Hardly! He walked the via dolorosa against his will. We need to analize the facts with more maturity.

First of all, I want to say that I am glad you recognize Jesus for who He is based on your words “**Jesus did not lay down his life for his friends of his own freewill”.

I would like you Ben, as a mature person, to look at what Jesus said, “Not my will but thine” is Jesus giving up His will for that of the Fathers.

So, Jesus willed His will freely to the Father, which is a key point to the salvation of all mankind.

We of all people who know about God in different levels, know that the flesh is enmity against God.

Therefore, Jesus being in the flesh had to experience the pain and suffering’s of the flesh so that He with God’s Spirit conquer it for all of us.

There is no mystery to that.

May I add, that if we study the bible as a whole and not in bits and pieces, we will see a picture not like what is being thaught, but as God sees it looking down upon us.

Blessing’s, AJ

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[look3467]

Ben
And so were all the other Jews crucified by the Romans. It was a matter of policy to scourge any Jew prior to crucifixion to break down the spirit of resistence. Read John 19:1. Then, Josephus is even a better source.

Ah, the human understanding view, well, the spirit view is being missed completely as did the high priests of that day as well.

The spiritual message is that God came to save the world via the Jews offerring God’s remedy for sin in Jesus.

Had the high priests known that, they would have never offered God’s lamb for a sacrifice.
Can you see a similar picture in Abraham and Issac? Did God provide the sacrificial animal?

He had to blind Abraham to what was to come, so that by faith in God the Father Abraham would be obedient in offering his own son Issac.

Had Abraham known that God would produce a substitute offering, than Abraham faith would not have been tested.

Had Jesus known why the high priests rejected Him, He might be more apt to fail at His mission.

Remember, that the world was offered to Jesus id He but bow to the flesh rather than to God.

Blessing’s, AJ

 

[look3467]

Ben

There was no commitment but accommodation or resignation, since there was no way out of the ordeal.

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My friend Ben; your reasoning is with the human spirit again and not with God’s.

Jesus was ordained as prophesied to be offered up as a sacrifice and knew it only when the Father had revealed it to Him.

“I must be about my Father’s business” was His first revelation, the rest was revealed to Him as time went on.

You are correct in that Jesus had no way out, since He looked for a ransom and found none.

For there was no ransom for the world except God provides one, and that alone did Jesus accomplished.

Otherwise, if not alone, then God would not receive the glory, but would have to share it with someone else.

And this thing I know, that you understand that there is but only one God: Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

If Jesus told you that you could not go to the Father except you first believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, would you reject Him to?

Would that not make Jesus equal to the Father or as the Father?

Your beliefs are understandable and stand no condemnation, yet if you placed your faith in Jesus, your life would be so much more blessed.

Blessing’s, AJ

 

[look3467]

Ben
Well, to make the marriage institution sacred is indeed a tonic for habit. Once a man told me that he hated his wife more than the plague. When I asked him why he didn’t divorce her, he said he couldn’t because habit was stronger than hatred.

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A habit can be overcome, love can turn to hate, but commitment can only be broken when the law is broken.

Now, tell me, of all the Mosaic laws given, how many can you count on one finger that have become perfect by the law?

None right?

Well, Jesus was committed to the Fathers will to the letter, dotting every I and crossing every T until all was fulfilled, and the law replaced by grace.

As for that man hating his wife, well that is a personal problem suffered by a spiritual deprivation of God’s help.

Had that man had true commitment to the love of God, or respect for the love of God, he would honor his wife in forgiveness.

How many times did Israel turn from God and yet God forgave them upon repentance?

Is it any different with us?

**Blessing’s, AJ **

 

[look3467]

Ben

**Indeed, habit is stronger than anything else. Such a commitment grows to such a point that it becomes impossible for one to live without the other. Congratulations NOW. But for some good part of your life, I don’t think congratulations would have been the word. **

First I apologize to the rest of you for so many posts one right after another, but each one had to be addressed separately for clarity.

Trust me Ben, my marriage is not a habit, it was and is still a commitment unto God that I would love and cherish my wife as my self.

Without God’s help, I would not have had the ability to forgive willingly, and thereby limiting the ability to forgive to the flesh.

God must be in the mix, if not, than we are on our own and deserve everybit of consequence.

Blessing’s, AJ

 

[look3467]

IF? This is what it says in Genesis:

Its very clear in these passages that it was the Lord who initiated contact and ultimately the covenant.

I concur!

Blessing’s, AJ

 

[jpaul1953]

The Mark of the Beast

Christians, especially Protestants, and among them, the Seventh-Day Adventists in particular, enjoy to talk about the mark of the Beast; and with fantastic definitions, that only make a ridiculous picture of themselves. Then, they charge each other with the potential to get the mark of the Beast. They think of almost everything but the real thing, which is given by the NT itself.

The mark of the Beast appears in conjunction with the Antichrist. Morphologically, the term Antichrist is composed of two words: Anti and Christ. Anti means to stand against
or to contradict. Christ means what Christians believe Jesus was. So, what stands
against Christ is only obvious that it means the Antichrist.

According to Matthew 5:17, Jesus declared that he had not come to abolish the Jewish laws. Then, 30 years later, Paul came and said that what Jesus said was not true, but rather that the Jewish laws were abolished on the cross. (Ephe. 2:15)

As we can see, Paul stood against what Jesus said by contradicting his words about his purpose regarding the Jewish laws. If Jesus was indeed Christ, as Christians believe he was, it’s only obvious that Paul acted as the Antichrist.

Now, where did Paul say the Jewish laws were abolished? On the cross. And what did the cross mean to him? “God forbid,” he said, “that I should glory in anything save in the cross.” The cross meant the glory of Paul. (Gal. 6:14)

Now, we have the mark of the Beast: The cross, a symbol of shame and a curse to the Anointed of the Lord, who, in the words of Habakkuk 3:13, is the People of Israel, the Jewish People.

Now, your comments are welcome.

Ben.

 

[jpaul1953]

Dear Ben,

You are a trip. Jesus did replace the Mosaic law with just two commandments. Even if Paul appeared to disagree with Jesus, everything esle Paul says is PRO-CHRIST… Maybe you can call people like that DISAGREE-CHRIST, not ANTICHRIST. Your deductions do not even come close to amking any sense.

Anyway, the AntiChrist spoke about in the Bible was Emperor Nero. Nero’s name in Aramaic equals 666, since Aramaic, Hebrew and, Roman all used letters for numbers. Our number system came from the Arab nations along with many different spices and rugs. The Jews used numbers so as not to be caught by Romans. Those who wore the make of the beast where it was on their heads were Roman soldiers with their helmets on. I’m going to leave it there. If you want some more info, research it like I did. John Henry Newman said if you go deep into history you will cease to be Protestant. TADA!!!

 

[jpaul1953]

First of all, I want to say that I am glad you recognize Jesus for who He is based on your words “**Jesus did not lay down his life for his friends of his own freewill”.

I would like you Ben, as a mature person, to look at what Jesus said, “Not my will but thine” is Jesus giving up His will for that of the Fathers.

So, Jesus willed His will freely to the Father, which is a key point to the salvation of all mankind.

We of all people who know about God in different levels, know that the flesh is enmity against God.

Therefore, Jesus being in the flesh had to experience the pain and suffering’s of the flesh so that He with God’s Spirit conquer it for all of us.

There is no mystery to that.

May I add, that if we study the bible as a whole and not in bits and pieces, we will see a picture not like what is being thaught, but as God sees it looking down upon us.

Blessing’s, AJ

**

 

[jpaul1953]

Dear Ben,

Your are convoluted. Jesus did willfully go to the Cross, because as he said at Gethsemane I could ask my Father to send legions of angels down here to end this thing but he didn’t ask, did he. Remember all Jesus had to do is to tell the Jewish leaders that he was not the son of God. He said : " thy will be done, not mine. Yeah he didn’t want it BUT HE WENT THROUGH WITH IT ANYWAY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO DO HIS FATHER"S WILL , which was more important than His own, Ben.

It’s like saying I don’t want to weightlift because it hurts, but you do it anyway because you like the results of doing it.Or, I don’t want to diet, but I don’t want to be fat either. So, you choose to diet because you rather be slim than fat. Do you get it, Ben. I hope you do.

You might not like it but you do it anyway. So in Jesus’ case he willed himself to do it because God’s will is more important than Jesus’ human will. That’s called ALTRUISM…to do the greater good regardless of what it costs you. I love Jesus more because he didn’t weant to do it but did for the greater good. What a great Savior our Lord is.

 

[look3467]

Dear Ben,

Your are convoluted. Jesus did willfully go to the Cross, because as he said at Gethsemane I could ask my Father to send legions of angels down here to end this thing but he didn’t ask, did he. Remember all Jesus had to do is to tell the Jewish leaders that he was not the son of God. He said : " thy will be done, not mine. Yeah he didn’t want it BUT HE WENT THROUGH WITH IT ANYWAY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO DO HIS FATHER"S WILL , which was more important than His own, Ben.

It’s like saying I don’t want to weightlift because it hurts, but you do it anyway because you like the results of doing it.Or, I don’t want to diet, but I don’t want to be fat either. So, you choose to diet because you rather be slim than fat. Do you get it, Ben. I hope you do.

You might not like it but you do it anyway. So in Jesus’ case he willed himself to do it because God’s will is more important than Jesus’ human will. That’s called ALTRUISM…to do the greater good regardless of what it costs you. I love Jesus more because he didn’t weant to do it but did for the greater good. What a great Savior our Lord is.

Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Jesus’ love was greater than for self, for the burden of the world was upon His shoulders and one which He could effect a change for us.

Blessing,s AJ

 

[Ben_Masada]

Dear Ben,

Your are convoluted. Jesus did willfully go to the Cross, because as he said at Gethsemane I could ask my Father to send legions of angels down here to end this thing but he didn’t ask, did he. Remember all Jesus had to do is to tell the Jewish leaders that he was not the son of God. He said : " thy will be done, not mine. Yeah he didn’t want it BUT HE WENT THROUGH WITH IT ANYWAY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO DO HIS FATHER"S WILL , which was more important than His own, Ben.

It’s like saying I don’t want to weightlift because it hurts, but you do it anyway because you like the results of doing it.Or, I don’t want to diet, but I don’t want to be fat either. So, you choose to diet because you rather be slim than fat. Do you get it, Ben. I hope you do.

You might not like it but you do it anyway. So in Jesus’ case he willed himself to do it because God’s will is more important than Jesus’ human will. That’s called ALTRUISM…to do the greater good regardless of what it costs you. I love Jesus more because he didn’t weant to do it but did for the greater good. What a great Savior our Lord is.

**So, you love Jesus because he didn’t want to do it but did it for the greater good. This is cruelty from your part and masochism from the part of Jesus. Is that how you want him to be reminded of?

So, Jesus could have asked of God to send a legion of angels and get rid of the Romans, and escape death. Nevertheless, he asked for something easier: To remove that cup without his having to drink it. Either way, he got no reply from God. Neither for what he asked nor for what he did not ask. Therefore, the poor man was forced to walk the via dolorosa against his will. And you love him for that. Let God keep me far away from this kind of lovers. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

Dear Ben,

You are a trip. Jesus did replace the Mosaic law with just two commandments. Even if Paul appeared to disagree with Jesus, everything esle Paul says is PRO-CHRIST… Maybe you can call people like that DISAGREE-CHRIST, not ANTICHRIST. Your deductions do not even come close to amking any sense.

Anyway, the AntiChrist spoke about in the Bible was Emperor Nero. Nero’s name in Aramaic equals 666, since Aramaic, Hebrew and, Roman all used letters for numbers. Our number system came from the Arab nations along with many different spices and rugs. The Jews used numbers so as not to be caught by Romans. Those who wore the make of the beast where it was on their heads were Roman soldiers with their helmets on. I’m going to leave it there. If you want some more info, research it like I did. John Henry Newman said if you go deep into history you will cease to be Protestant. TADA!!!

**The main characteristic of the Antichrist is Antisemitism. Christ is the word in Greek for the Anointed One. Since according to Habakkuk 3:13, Israel, the Jewish People is the Anointed of the Lord, or Christ, it’s only obvious that the Antichrist must be first and foremost an anti-Semite. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

First I apologize to the rest of you for so many posts one right after another, but each one had to be addressed separately for clarity.

Trust me Ben, my marriage is not a habit, it was and is still a commitment unto God that I would love and cherish my wife as my self.

Without God’s help, I would not have had the ability to forgive willingly, and thereby limiting the ability to forgive to the flesh.

God must be in the mix, if not, than we are on our own and deserve everybit of consequence.

Blessing’s, AJ

Well Look, let Elohim bless you with a special blessing from Yerushalaim, because I have chosen to believe you.

 

[Ben_Masada]

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A habit can be overcome, love can turn to hate, but commitment can only be broken when the law is broken.

Now, tell me, of all the Mosaic laws given, how many can you count on one finger that have become perfect by the law?

None right?

Well, Jesus was committed to the Fathers will to the letter, dotting every I and crossing every T until all was fulfilled, and the law replaced by grace.

As for that man hating his wife, well that is a personal problem suffered by a spiritual deprivation of God’s help.

Had that man had true commitment to the love of God, or respect for the love of God, he would honor his wife in forgiveness.

How many times did Israel turn from God and yet God forgave them upon repentance?

Is it any different with us?

**Blessing’s, AJ **

**Look, it’s very easy to praise commitment at old age when the hormones no longer rave from gland to gland. But as I said above, when I wished you blessed, I have decided to believe you.

But regarding the Mosaic laws which you say Jesus fulfilled and was replaced by grace, I don’t know where you got this from because that’s not what Jesus meant in Matthew 5:19. He set himself only as an example for all of us to continue obeying the Mosaic laws and teaching them according to the letter. He even said in the parable of the Richman and Lazarus that if we don’t listen to Moses, even if one is raised from the dead, sinners won’t stop walking to Hell. (Luke 16:29-31)**

 

[Ben_Masada]

My friend Ben; your reasoning is with the human spirit again and not with God’s.

Jesus was ordained as prophesied to be offered up as a sacrifice and knew it only when the Father had revealed it to Him.

“I must be about my Father’s business” was His first revelation, the rest was revealed to Him as time went on.

You are correct in that Jesus had no way out, since He looked for a ransom and found none.

For there was no ransom for the world except God provides one, and that alone did Jesus accomplished.

Otherwise, if not alone, then God would not receive the glory, but would have to share it with someone else.

And this thing I know, that you understand that there is but only one God: Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

If Jesus told you that you could not go to the Father except you first believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, would you reject Him to?

Would that not make Jesus equal to the Father or as the Father?

Your beliefs are understandable and stand no condemnation, yet if you placed your faith in Jesus, your life would be so much more blessed.

Blessing’s, AJ

Look, you must know by now where I am coming from: Judaism, the Faith of Jesus. I am sure you know also, that there is no such a thing in Judaism as heresies of Greek Mythology. Then, we are talking about a religious Jew. How can you say that Jesus, a Jew is made equal with God the Father? That’s what I call distortion of Jduaism in the eyes of the world by using a Jew to insert Hellenistic innovations into it. Please, have mercy!

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ah, the human understanding view, well, the spirit view is being missed completely as did the high priests of that day as well.

The spiritual message is that God came to save the world via the Jews offerring God’s remedy for sin in Jesus.

Had the high priests known that, they would have never offered God’s lamb for a sacrifice.
Can you see a similar picture in Abraham and Issac? Did God provide the sacrificial animal?

He had to blind Abraham to what was to come, so that by faith in God the Father Abraham would be obedient in offering his own son Issac.

Had Abraham known that God would produce a substitute offering, than Abraham faith would not have been tested.

Had Jesus known why the high priests rejected Him, He might be more apt to fail at His mission.

Remember, that the world was offered to Jesus id He but bow to the flesh rather than to God.

Blessing’s, AJ

**Look, every time you connect the Jewish leaders to the crucifixion of Jesus, you are trying to transfer the blame on the death of Jesus from the Romans to the Jews. Pope John 23rd has already asked the Jews in public, you must remember, to forgive Christianity for this 2,000 years old antisemitic false accusation that the Jews killed Jesus. Instead of listen to this magnanimous Pope, you have chosen to perpetuate the same myth. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

I’ve been accused my protestants of having the “mark of the Beast” when I receive ashes on Ash Wednesday, and I’ve also heard that the “mark of the Beast” is symbolized by any tattoo that defiles the body - the ‘temple’ of the Lord.

That’s an argument which happens within the same family. Aren’t you all Christians?

**Christ said that He came, not to abolish the Law, but to FULFILL the Law.

You have forgotten Matthew 5:19, where Jesus sets himself as the example to obey and to teach the Mosaic laws to the letter. It means that by fulfilling, nothing was abolished, as he said it himself.**

But through Christ all these religious barriers between Jew and Gentile have been transcended (Eph 2:13-14) by the abolition (i.e., fulfillment)of the Mosaic covenant-law (Eph 2:15)

**Didn’t you just say above that Jesus didn’t abolish the Mosaic laws? Are you contradicting yourself or Jesus’ words like Paul did? Are you trying to stop the sun with a sieve? Why don’t you read Luke 16:29-31? That’s about Jesus’ parable of the Richman and Lazarus. Jesus says in that parable that if the Richman’s family and friends don’t listen to Moses, even if one is raised from the dead, they won’t stop their walk to join the Richman in Hell. Remember, he did not say to listen to him or to Paul, but to Moses. Now, how can you say that Moses was abolished? **

I don’t read the word ‘abolish’ in Paul in the same way you do. I see it as fulfilling, clarifying, understanding the Law, and a new covenant etc., it is Christ as God who established the Law. Just my opinion.

**Well my friend, your opinion is still contradicting Jesus’ word. You see the word “abolish” as fulfilling, when Jesus himself, by fulfilling, he declared with all the letters that he was not abolishing. Who is confusing here myself, Jesus, you or Paul? I think that for anyone who has a mind of his own, there is here a bellicose encounter between two pairs of people: Jesus and myself on one side, against you and Paul on the other. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

IF? This is what it says in Genesis:

Its very clear in these passages that it was the Lord who initiated contact and ultimately the covenant.

Yes, but through a vision or dream, which is the medium God communicates with His Prophets. (Numb. 12:6)