The Mark of the Beast

[OneTrueCathApos]

**I know you meant a compliment with this post above, but… the first true thing I have ever said! That was terrible!

Regarding salvation is from the Jews, I am of the opinion that Jesus meant the collective; I mean, the whole People and not only himself individually.

They WERE still God’s chosen people! Does it mean they are no longer? I don’t know about you.

Ben: **

 

[Lapell]

The things that are said about Jews to became Catholics or Christians of another denomination are quite similar to what was said of Saul/Paul of Tarse… maybe not as much, but as to Paul they really don’t mind uttering downright exaggerations and false things… although there also were exaggerations on the Christian side also. But really Paul is quite a privileged target and an ideal scapegoat since he died so long ago (in 66 or 67 AD, not 50 years after Jesus’ death, which was around year 30 AD!)…

 

[Lapell]

It’s like the false things spread against Pius XII many years after his death. Ask the Italian Jews if they agree with what has been spread against him. Ask Rabbi David Dalin, who wrote a book titled The Myth of Hitler’s Pope, if he agrees with the propaganda. I read about the accusations through Elie Wiesel’s Memoirs. He got that from the French writer François Mauriac, who got it I don’t know from whom. Since Pius XII was dead, it was easier to think it to be true if we had no access to witnesses of that time…

 

[Lapell]

And how vehemently and passionately a number of people would want to ask question as though they would be the Great Inquisitor in person… and all that was false propaganda!

 

[Lapell]

And yet many people still believes this falsehood about Pope Pius XII !!

 

[Lapell]

And so I say that many people did something similar with saint Paul. You are following them. So beware! If you really are committed to the whole Truth, don’t bend it to fit your theories. If Truth really matters to YOU, you won’t play games with it. If you never experienced a fear of God that is the beginning of Wisdom, and a love for Him that is the end of Wisdom… well, you should not claim to teach in His Name, you won’t be left unpunished…

 

[Lapell]

Everything is a choice we make. Haven’t we all freewill?

Hence, love is a choice.

 

[sambos671]

Hence, love is a choice.

Good point!

 

[look3467]

Ben

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What difference did it make if he was god? Are you speaking about a charade?>>>Ben

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The difference? Every bit!

**Had Jesus not come as God incarnate, you and I would exist only as long as the flesh lived, for after that, your spirit soul would be lost in oblivion as like having never existed. **

Thanks for letting me know that he was not god or even a son of God.>>>Ben

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You missed the whole point!

This quotation of Isaiah is a reference to Israel, the Suffering Servant, who was blind to understand why he was removed from the Land of the Living, which is the Land of Israel.>>>Ben

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True, so was Job and Abraham a similitude of Jesus.

Nevetheless, lambs continued being sacrificed for another 40 years until the Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE.>>>Ben

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Yes, and even today, you still can not trust in Jesus as your Savior, so, what stops you from making animal sacrifices?

If Jesus’ sacrifice did not end once and for all the animal sacrifices, why is it not done today?

You are saying then, that he took the Via Dolorosa against his will. I thought so all along.>>>Ben

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Ben, you’re trying to make it fit your way of thinking. Jesus’ will was to do the will of the Father, so He suffered it willingly.

A mystery to you is why? You can not bring yourself to believe that Jesus willed His will away to the Father.

So, why did Jesus say “your sins are forgiven” to that guy whom they brought down from the ceiling?>>>Ben

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Because to the Jews, only God can forgive sins, so who did Jesus think He was?

Which would be easier to say, if God said it, “your sins are forgiven or be ye healed”?

If you believe that only God can forgive sins, then Jesus must have had the spirit of God in Him to have said those words.

Now, you are rewriting the text. He said, “Thy will, NOT mine.” So, it was not his own. I think you should give it up because you are getting yourself trapped in your own spider web.>>>Ben

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He who is blind, shall remain blind.

Jesus was a Jew, and a Jew is much more intelligent to know that’s impossible to “love thy neighbor as thyself.” Perhaps he meant respect.>>>Ben

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Perhaps?

Jesus knew what He meant, and I know exactly what He meant!

Jesus did not lay down his life willingly. What’s the matter? You don’t understand simple English? He said, “be Thy will done and NOT mine.” Yes, it was God’s will but not his. Can anything be more basic than that?>>>Ben

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I understand with the heart by faith, and that is basic.

If you mean to lay down my life stupidly just like that, of course not! Neither for a child of mine nor a parent. Life is more important than anything else. But to fight for, I could mention here a few reasons, more than just one or two.>>>Ben

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Jesus must have been a fool then don’t you think?

That’s Pauline rhetoric that butters no bread.>>>Ben

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Darkness remains.

We have been doing this for thousands of years without the help of Jesus. Who added the change, Paul? Who was Paul, an apostate Jew who brought Greek Mythology to Judaism? Thank you but no thanks.>>>Ben

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And, may I say, you still do to this day! That’s why Jesus was crucified because He said that He now was the way and the truth, and no man could go to the father except by Him.

Blessing’s, AJ

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Ben Ben, must you continue your diatribe of Hate and Lies? “Thy will, not mine” does not mean that it is against Jesus’ will but that he willingly aligned his will with the will of his Father. Since Jesus IS God He could very well forgive sins.

You don’t even understand the expression, “to align something to.” Jesus would have aligned his will to the will of God by saying, “Thy will is my will.” But he said, “Thy will, not mine.” Can’t you see the difference? That’s embarrassing!

So, Jews are all intelligent? What did we call that when you assume something based upon racial/cultural stereotypes? Perhaps intelligent is not the word you want for yourself, perhaps intransigent?

Now, you are applying a low punch to make up for your lack of juice to continue the discussion. That’s sad!

Again, he aligned his will with that of his Father.

**No, he did not. He made it clear to posterity that to be crucified was not in his agenda. **

Truly, I pity you and even more I pity any wife or children you may have. If your life is the most important thing to you, then were do they or God fit in?

And I pity you too for your very poor scholarship tactic. I said that I am not ready to die stupidly for anyone whomsoever. But to fight for my God, my family and my Country, I am more than ready, as I have given proofs of what I am saying. If I die in the
process, so what? But to die without a fight, I leave this for the Jews of the Holocaust. I am an Israeli.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Maybe YOU are trying to rewrite how to understand the Gospels. Who is a moron? I am not looking for morons. But when there are things said that seem so superficial and said in a supercillious way, you can’t help wonder and, if you feel it necessary, ask questions and speak your mind.

**You have told me more than several times to ask questions and speak my mind. Listen Lapell, you don’t have the answers to my questions. That’s why I limit myself to commenting.

Just to prove what I am saying that you don’t have the answers, I am going to ask you a question, so that at least you will stop asking me to ask questions. Read Luke 2:39. Jesus was only 40 days old when Luke sent him back to Nazareth where Joseph and Mary used to live before they came to Bethlehem. In the meantime, the Jesus of Matthew was stuck in Egypt waiting for Herod to die. When this finally happened, Joseph and Mary
decided to return to Judea, where they used to live. But, as they found out that Herod’s son Archelaus had succeeded Herod in Judea, they were afraid to go back home, and went to Galilee. My question is: Were there two Jesuses, one in Nazareth and the other in Egypt or there were to Solomons trying to split one Jesus in two? Now, go ahead and try to answer this question of mine. If you can’t, stop asking me to ask questions that you cannot answer. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

I think you refuse to do just that when it comes to Jesus, the Apostles, Paul, Stephen… instead you prefer to rely on commentaries designed to keep anyone from ever wanting to join the non-kosher Christian faith (that is, non-kosher in the eyes of the Jewish religious authorities from Caiaphas the High Priest and the Sanhedrin of his time to our days.

My commentaries are from the Scriptures and from nowhere else. The problem with you is that you are not used to the Scriptures but to the Church only.

 

[Ben_Masada]

It’s like the false things spread against Pius XII many years after his death. Ask the Italian Jews if they agree with what has been spread against him. Ask Rabbi David Dalin, who wrote a book titled The Myth of Hitler’s Pope, if he agrees with the propaganda. I read about the accusations through Elie Wiesel’s Memoirs. He got that from the French writer François Mauriac, who got it I don’t know from whom. Since Pius XII was dead, it was easier to think it to be true if we had no access to witnesses of that time…

**How about the Concordata sighned between Hitler and Pope Pius XI, so that Hitler should overlook the interests of the Church in his Final Solution of the Jews? Was that a myth too? **

 

[Ben_Masada]

And so I say that many people did something similar with saint Paul. You are following them. So beware! If you really are committed to the whole Truth, don’t bend it to fit your theories. If Truth really matters to YOU, you won’t play games with it. If you never experienced a fear of God that is the beginning of Wisdom, and a love for Him that is the end of Wisdom… well, you should not claim to teach in His Name, you won’t be left unpunished…

Do you happen to know what is the Truth? Jesus said that the Truth is the Word of God. (John 17:17) Now, do you happen to know whom was the Word of God given to? To Israel only and to no other people on earth. (Psalm 147:19,20) Now, you know
where to find the Truth.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Hence, love is a choice.

**No Lapell, love is not a choice. Why don’t you choose to love me? Love is a feeling. It happens. It is not chosen. You cannot tell someone that tomorrow or the day after you will love him or her. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

**Ben

**Had Jesus not come as God incarnate, you and I would exist only as long as the flesh lived, for after that, your spirit soul would be lost in oblivion as like having never existed. ****

That’s exactly what it is, and we Jews serve God without that preconditional fear to be lost in oblivion. That’s a shame!

True, so was Job and Abraham a similitude of Jesus.

Back to empty assumptions, as a result of the plagiarism to attribute to Jesus the prophecies of the Scriptures.

Yes, and even today, you still can not trust in Jesus as your Savior, so, what stops you from making animal sacrifices?

**Isaiah says that the Almighty is our only Savior. (Isa. 43:23) **

If Jesus’ sacrifice did not end once and for all the animal sacrifices, why is it not done today?

Because we still don’t have our Temple, that’s all. No other reason.

Ben, you’re trying to make it fit your way of thinking. Jesus’ will was to do the will of the Father, so He suffered it willingly.

He did not! That’s an argument between Reason and Faith. If we were in the Middle Ages you could win, because Faith could use other weapons. But at this day and age, Reason takes the pie.

A mystery to you is why? You can not bring yourself to believe that Jesus willed His will away to the Father.

Logic dictates otherwise.

Because to the Jews, only God can forgive sins, so who did Jesus think He was?

The question is not Jesus. But who did the gospel writers think he was.

Which would be easier to say, if God said it, “your sins are forgiven or be ye healed”?

Are you sure you really want the answer to this question? Even a child would not miss that answer. But of course that’s much easier to say, “your sins are forgiven!” How could such a answer be verified? That’s what Faith does to people who can’t think. I am sorry, but that’s the truth.

If you believe that only God can forgive sins, then Jesus must have had the spirit of God in Him to have said those words.

**Jesus would have never said those words, if the ghost of Paul was not in the mind of the gospel writers. **

He who is blind, shall remain blind.

And he who sees too much shall see shadows as men walking in the twilight.

Jesus knew what He meant, and I know exactly what He meant!

What can a Gentile know of a Jewish mind?

Jesus must have been a fool then don’t you think?

**Ah my friend, the fool here was not Jesus but those who claim he was what he was not. **

Darkness remains.

I believe you, but I blame Faith. Didn’t Disraeli say that where faith begins, knowledge ends? There you go. And I don’t know who was more inspired between Disraeli and Hosea, who said that for lack of knowledge my People perish. Well, both were Jews.

And, may I say, you still do to this day! That’s why Jesus was crucified because He said that He now was the way and the truth, and no man could go to the father except by Him.

He spoke as a representative of the People he belonged to. Didn’t Isaiah say Israel was given as light unto the nations? (Isa. 42:6)There you go.

 

[Sam_777]

The codes for the mark of the beast:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=5161459#post5161459

 

[sambos671]

He spoke as a representative of the People he belonged to. Didn’t Isaiah say Israel was given as light unto the nations? (Isa. 42:6)There you go.

But Ben by your own words they are not. Did you not say that the Jews don’t care what the goyim believe as long as they hold the Noahic law? What light is there when the society’s is a closed one caring less what the rest of the world does? And according to you the only reason God keeps a reminent of Jews on earth is to prevent the unraveling of his creation. Oh and to massage his ego in praise to himself. Because in the end there is nothing and from the begining there is nothing. Just now. What kind of light is that?

 

[cthulhubryan]

You don’t even understand the expression, “to align something to.” Jesus would have aligned his will to the will of God by saying, “Thy will is my will.” But he said, “Thy will, not mine.” Can’t you see the difference? That’s embarrassing!

Once again you choose to obscure and insult. “Thy will, not mine” does not mean that He went unwillingly.

Now, you are applying a low punch to make up for your lack of juice to continue the discussion. That’s sad!

Wrong again, I was simply using your own logic (or lack thereof) after all you are the one who came in with the lies about “replacement theology”

**No, he did not. He made it clear to posterity that to be crucified was not in his agenda. **

It became his agenda when He began his ministry.

And I pity you too for your very poor scholarship tactic. I said that I am not ready to die stupidly for anyone whomsoever. But to fight for my God, my family and my Country, I am more than ready, as I have given proofs of what I am saying. If I die in the
process, so what? But to die without a fight, I leave this for the Jews of the Holocaust. I am an Israeli.

Again, you reply with insults when you run out of other things to say. What does it mean to die stupidly? If you lay down your life to save your child then to me it is valiant and a thing of love but to you it is stupid.

 

[cthulhubryan]

**How about the Concordata sighned between Hitler and Pope Pius XI, so that Hitler should overlook the interests of the Church in his Final Solution of the Jews? Was that a myth too? **

Yes and no. As is your normal tactic you have again lied and obfuscated the facts.

You are referring to the Reichskonkordat that is still in effect today. It was signed as an agreement between Pope Pius XI and German President Paul von Hindenburg (not Hitler) It required German clergy to agree to obey the constitutional government (give unto caesar) and guaranteed the Catholic Church freedom in the Catholic regions of Germany. It had nothing to do with the final solution or with Jews at all.
Hitler broke the agreement in 1937 by arresting Bishops and priests. This made the Pope put out the encyclical (Of Burning Concern) which, by the way, was the first condemnation of Hitler by any international leader and was done 9 months before the Anschluss.
Or perhaps Paul came down from heaven and used the Men in Black memory light to rewrite history?