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SuperLuigi
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The title itself sounds like yet another disingenuous progressive hit-piece on what is considered to be a more orthodox Protestant Church.
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vsedriver
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the danger is when you put theology to a vote.
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tseleehw
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They, like several other protestant denominations, will eventually vote to allow gay marriages. If it doesn’t happen this year, it will happen next time or the time after that. It’s only a matter of time before they give in.
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RPRPsych
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Hopefully they don’t yield to the “culture of the times”. 
I wonder what John Wesley would have thought of all this…
I wonder what John Wesley would have thought of all this…
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ctb95
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It’s nice being Catholic- where morality isn’t decided by popular vote.
Really though, I’m glad that I’m not part of a mainline Protestant church, where this issue has consumed them and caused so many divisions and strife over the past couple of decades.
Really though, I’m glad that I’m not part of a mainline Protestant church, where this issue has consumed them and caused so many divisions and strife over the past couple of decades.
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revert_jen
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Just imagine what it must be like for faithful Methodist ministers, worried that if the vote goes the wrong way, they will either have to be untrue to their consciences or lose their jobs.
Praying for them…
–Jen
P.S. There’s surely no doubt of the opinion of the author of that terrible article!
Praying for them…
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P.S. There’s surely no doubt of the opinion of the author of that terrible article!
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Sparkythedog
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He would probably be too in awe of cell phones and airplanes and modern medicine to care.I wonder what John Wesley would have thought of all this…
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Graceful_Lamb
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I agree.
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RPRPsych
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Perhaps, but with his solidly Arminian theology, he’d certainly be concerned about those favouring the practice of sexual sins.
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ComplineSanFran
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You don’t think the issue of sexuality hasn’t impacted the RCC? Goodness.
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RPRPsych
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Of course it has. But the “RCC”*, having solid teachings and dogmas, doesn’t need to conduct a yearly democratic debate on whether homosexual acts are sinful or not. The teaching is set in stone. Even the much-misrepresented and overhyped “Synod on the Family” could only make pastoral recommendations.
- because of my workplace, whenever I see RCC, I think “Regional Cancer Centre”, which is just a short walk from my home…
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ComplineSanFran
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So you and your membership and clergy alike are dealing with it in a different way than branches of the the Church that discuss and make decisions together based on prayer and the leading of the Holy Spirit. (BTW, the Methodist General Conference meets once every four years, not yearly.)Of course it has. But the “RCC”*, having solid teachings and dogmas, doesn’t need to conduct a yearly democratic debate on whether homosexual acts are sinful or not. The teaching is set in stone. Even the much-misrepresented and overhyped “Synod on the Family” could only make pastoral recommendations.
Look through the threads here on CAF. I wonder what the percentage of posts are that have something to do with homosexuality - usually by people who are NOT homosexual. My gay clergy friends and colleagues - both Anglican and Roman - don’t talk about it much at all. It’s just a normal part of who they are. I feel badly for the Methodist clergy who have had to be in ministry whilst keeping an important part of themselves very quiet. What’s good about this GC is that people are stepping forward. That is always a good sign. I hope it makes a difference this year.
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SuperLuigi
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There is absolutely no question that most of the defense of so-called gay “marriage” on the internet is from straights who are looking to make a name for themselves and score tolerance points and not GLBTQ folks. For one thing, there aren’t enough of them and secondly, GLBTQ folks are actually more civil to me on-line about the marriage issue than straights have been.
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RPRPsych
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Exactly. The beauty of Catholicism is that one doesn’t have to reinvent the wheel; it’s already ready and waiting for you in perfect condition.
Now this is something that I have mixed feelings about.
Of course, as a faithful follower of the Church, I am obedient to all her teachings including the ones on sexuality. And as not only a Catholic but a health professional and a parent, I deplore the LGBTQ agenda and its facile assumptions that “if anything goes, then everything will be all right.” Sin is sin no matter how many people vote in favour of it, or how many secular governments pass rulings on it.
On the other hand, debating and rehashing the same old tired issues does become wearisome. If Rome has spoken and the case is closed, why do some “liberal” or “progressive” Catholics keep hoping against hope that things will change? They might as well hope for Church approval of murder, rape, theft or sacrilege. Sin remains sin even if homosexual sin is the current “flavour of the week” among the “social justice” crowd.
And furthermore, I find a dangerous tendency among some “conservative” Catholics to try
and join hands with anyone or anything that is “anti-gay” (Islam, Vladimir Putin, any right-wing politician who cynically campaigns on “family values”, etc…) simply because they feel the mainstream Church is not doing enough on the issue. Such allies will never have our best interests in mind. If we are to fight a “culture war”, we must do it by the graces of our own church. If we win a “war” against the LGBTQ movement with such allies, we may lose our souls.
Well, perhaps that’s why the Church teaches that those with “deep-seated homosexual tendencies” shouldn’t become clergy in the first place.
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Tommy999
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Yes, please pray for us and I mean that with all my heart.
I belong to a Methodist congregation that is one of the largest and most conservative in my region of the country. When speaking with one of the associate pastors who was going to the convention, he predicted that the fast-growing and influential Methodist churches in Africa would most likely prevent the Methodist Church as a whole from changing its stance on homosexual marriage because they are almost unanimously opposed to it as they are more conservative and traditional in their beliefs.
However,he did not rule out the possibility that there could potentially be a split in Methodism where those whose position is not accepted might decide to go their separate way. I hope that doesn’t happen.
I think the Methodist Church has lived by a de facto “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” philosophy in the recent past and it can’t keep straddling the fence, in my opinion. I wish it were more like the Catholic position in that regard.
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FabiusMaximus
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This is really getting so tiresome. How are the clergy who come out as gay brave? No one forces you to join the clergy of a particular church. You should be accepting all of its teachings if that’s what you are doing. If you’re fighting to change the church’s stance on homosexuality, you probably never really cared about its teachings at all, and were simply looking for a job.
People like this clearly do not believe that the church has a supernatural mission or that it is holy.
People like this clearly do not believe that the church has a supernatural mission or that it is holy.
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Memaw
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It may have impacted the people but it will never impact the teachings of the Catholic Church. Christ promised his Church would NEVER teach error. I trust the Holy Spirit! God Bless, Memaw
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Darryl_B
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In my country it is the Anglican Church which actively openly promotes the issue against the Catholic Church. The Anglican Church is also the fastest declining denomination in my country.
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Autumn_Smoke
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Amen
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