The Modernist Horror

[KenEOTE]

Ok, what significance does 1 Cor 3 hold regarding the topic at hand?

Oh you could not read the bolding Verses 16 and 17 that refer to us as the temple of God and not a building any longer?

You asked for the verses to be in context so I gave you the whole chapter. That would be in context. You were suggesting that I had taken them out of context so I put them back in.

As you can see it still says the same thing about being the temple of God. It is a great verse in that we know that God is going to protect us.

It was for you that I gave the whole chapter.

 

[Jacafamala]

Oh you could not read the bolding Verses 16 and 17 that refer to us as the temple of God and not a building any longer?

You asked for the verses to be in context so I gave you the whole chapter. That would be in context. You were suggesting that I had taken them out of context so I put them back in.

As you can see it still says the same thing about being the temple of God. It is a great verse in that we know that God is going to protect us.

It was for you that I gave the whole chapter.

So this means it’s good with God to have ugly churches? I’m afraid that’s a very creative interpretation, Ken.

 

[Cinette]

So this means it’s good with God to have ugly churches? I’m afraid that’s a very creative interpretation, Ken.

I can’t believe this!

You are still talking about buildings

WHEN are you going to talk about the other ***more important ***issues?

:doh2: :doh2:

 

[KenEOTE]

I can’t believe this!

You are still talking about buildings

WHEN are you going to talk about the other ***more important ***issues?

:doh2: :doh2:

I’m not the one keeping it going he keeps going on about the ugly building.

 

[KenEOTE]

So this means it’s good with God to have ugly churches? I’m afraid that’s a very creative interpretation, Ken.

I did not saying God cares more about Ugly Christians then Ugly Buildings. Ugly Buildings are subjective. You may find it ugly someone else may find it beautiful. If it brings people together to worship God then he finds it beautiful when we worship together.

Ugly Christians on the other hand are a stain and a detrement to God. I have never met a person who rejected God because of how a church building looked, I have met many who have because of how a Chrsitian acted or treated them.

 

[Jacafamala]

I can’t believe this!

You are still talking about buildings

WHEN are you going to talk about the other ***more important ***issues?

:doh2: :doh2:

Art is an important issue. Religious art is an extremely important issue.

 

[Paul_Folbrecht]

Well then go complain to that diocese. They obviously approved of the building. Are you going to say that it just sprung up and that no one had control?

How am I over spiritualizing? By quoting the Bible?

Ken,

What you are doing is quoting Scripture and then interpreting it yourself, outside of Tradition and apparently without any consideration as to how close your interpretation is to the Catholic Church’s.

I’m fairly sure you’re not a sola-scriptura Protestant, yet you are going about your argument here in exactly the way such a person would.

 

[KenEOTE]

Ken,

What you are doing is quoting Scripture and then interpreting it yourself, outside of Tradition and apparently without any consideration as to how close your interpretation is to the Catholic Church’s.

I’m fairly sure you’re not a sola-scriptura Protestant, yet you are going about your argument here in exactly the way such a person would.

I just think it is petty to be arguing about a Church Building and whether or not we think it is pretty. There are more important issues. Obviously the Bishop liked it. He approved it, people are going there for services so they must like it. If they didn’t they could go to another congregation.

 

[Jacafamala]

I did not saying God cares more about Ugly Christians then Ugly Buildings. Ugly Buildings are subjective. You may find it ugly someone else may find it beautiful. If it brings people together to worship God then he finds it beautiful when we worship together.

Now this is interesting. I’ll ponder this at the supermarket. My initial response would be, no. Bad art isn’t subjective. I’m trying to get my mind around the fact that this building could raise hearts and minds to God. I’ll consider this too as I peruse the produce.

Ugly Christians on the other hand are a stain and a detrement to God. I have never met a person who rejected God because of how a church building looked, I have met many who have because of how a Chrsitian acted or treated them.

Well, that’s a whole other kettle of fish.

Until later.

 

[Fran65]

I could never go there.

Are you saying that if the only place to attend Mass was that Church you wouldn’t go?

Karen

 

[I_Believe]

Oh, that’s a church? I thought it was a prison. Doesn’t it look like a prison, what with those small windows way up high? That “steeple?” or “bell tower?” looks like a guard’s watchtower. That’s pretty scary.

The Altar looks looks like it came out of the contemporary paintings exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. What’s backdrop that all about? Abstract Jesus?

More “good” that’s come out of VII, no doubt.

Take a hard look at that back drop folks.
Layered pentagrams. skepdic.com/pentagram.html

Take away the bell tower, and the building looks just like the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry Temple here in Louisville.

 

[DAPDN]

Ken,

What you are doing is quoting Scripture and then interpreting it yourself, outside of Tradition and apparently without any consideration as to how close your interpretation is to the Catholic Church’s.

I’m fairly sure you’re not a sola-scriptura Protestant, yet you are going about your argument here in exactly the way such a person would.

I’ve been following this thread close enough to think you’re absolutely right. That is my impression about Ken, too. Ken, if you consider yourself to be a Catholic, you can’t just interpret the Holy Scripture like that, without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, present in the very bossom of the Church, who has interpreted the Scriptures with His help, and putting aside more than 2000 years of Catholic Tradition and Teachings…

Take a hard look at that back drop folks.
Layered pentagrams. skepdic.com/pentagram.html

Take away the bell tower, and the building looks just like the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry Temple here in Louisville.

Someone earlier in this thread asked us how could we make such accusations, and started rising suspicions about how did we get to know how a Masonic Temple or a Synagogue looks like. Maybe now you got your answers.

 

[KenEOTE]

I’ve been following this thread close enough to think you’re absolutely right. That is my impression, too.

Yes attack me for caring more about people than a building. My mistake, forget all I said it’s an ugly building tear it down.

Don’t worry about what you put into your mind or how you treat others, as long as our buildings are pretty.
.

 

[DAPDN]

Ken, if you consider yourself to be a Catholic, you can’t just interpret the Holy Scripture like that, without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, present in the very bossom of the Church, who has interpreted the Scriptures with His help, and putting aside more than 2000 years of Catholic Tradition and Teachings…

Sorry, just edited my post in the second right after you posted.

 

[KenEOTE]

Sorry, just edited my post in the second right after you posted.

Tell me how does the church interpret those scriptures that clearly state that Our Bodies are the temple of God?

Tell me then do you take the Eucharist? Is it not in you? Is not what we put into our minds more important then how a church building looks?

What I have stated does not go against any church teaching. But as I stated lets tear it down for get about the important things in life like people.

 

[Cinette]

Art is an important issue. Religious art is an extremely important issue.

You obviously have not read the early posts which have been totally ignored

 

[I_Believe]

You say it looks like a synagogue or Masonic center.

i’d like to know how many synagogues and Masonic centers you’ve frequented, whose interiors you have inspected, that you would comment on their resemblance with such certainty.

And I’d like to know just WHAT you were doing in such places!

What a mean and childish insult. One can learn anything at all on the internet. It’s not hard to find photos of the inside of masonic temples on the internet.

Do you come over here because you get tired of being ignored on EC ? Give it a break.

 

[KenEOTE]

What a mean and childish insult. One can learn anything at all on the internet. It’s not hard to find photos of the inside of masonic temples on the internet.

Do you come over here because you get tired of being ignored on EC ? Give it a break.

I’ve been a few synagogues. Its not hard to get in. You just go they let you in. They are very friendsly and open. Never been in a Masonic Temple but have seen photos and worked on a documentary where they actually allowed the cameramen to go in and see it.

 

[DAPDN]

Ken,

Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, indeed. Our bodies become homes to Jesus Christ, when we receive the Eucharist.

Now, first of all: what the Scripture says it’s not that our bodies are the ONLY temples where Jesus Christ, through the Most Holy Sacrament, makes his residence to stay with us, in this world. In every tabernacle of the world, Jesus is also there, and that makes the temple built to house Him to be holy, too.

The same way you have to make a good confession, to clear all your mortal sins from your soul, to be able to receive Our Lord in the Eucharist, at the Mass, applies to the temple which houses Him. The Scripture (actually, St. Paul says so) and the Church tells us that we cannot receive Our Lord in a state of impurity, in a state of disgrace. It makes sense - when you invite a friend to your home, don’t you clean it up to make sure your friend will be confortable at your home? And if you do so to your human friends, will you dare not doing the same thing to God…?

As I was saying, this logical reasoning can also apply to what we were talking about. God wants a fine temple to be built for Him. The Scripture says so, and even logic says so. If God requires from us to be pure and clean of any mortal sin when we receive Him, will He not require the same order, beauty and dignity in His temple, so that His Glory may be exhalted?

Now, please look at the initial pictures: look at that altar. Do you even see a Cross on it? How can you still think it’s not important? That, my friend, can’t be a Church, like someone has said before you. And I totally agree with that person.

 

[DAPDN]

What a mean and childish insult. One can learn anything at all on the internet. It’s not hard to find photos of the inside of masonic temples on the internet.

Do you come over here because you get tired of being ignored on EC ? Give it a break.

That’s precisely what I was talking about in one of my previous posts…